A ghost? What's the deal? Is every frat on this campus haunted? And if so, why do people keep coming to these parties, cause it's not the snacks.

Xander ,'Dirty Girls'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Katie M - Dec 20, 2005 1:49:28 pm PST #2618 of 10459
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

The boy knows he's getting sent out alone, though. Had Giles told Buffy about the test beforehand, I would've thought it was mildly insane-o without safeguards--I am not in any sense a warrior at heart--but I wouldn't've thought it was a betrayal.


§ ita § - Dec 20, 2005 2:01:43 pm PST #2619 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just don't think a proper watcher is in much of a position of trust. Not about something like that, anyway.


Vortex - Dec 21, 2005 6:23:28 am PST #2620 of 10459
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I think that a "proper" watcher would have created a mentality where the slayer obeyed without question, and is constantly being tested. a "proper" slayer would not have resented the actions of her watcher, because she would have been taught that she must "expect the unexpected"


§ ita § - Dec 21, 2005 7:29:53 am PST #2621 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

a "proper" slayer would not have resented the actions of her watcher, because she would have been taught that she must "expect the unexpected"

Exactly.


DavidS - Dec 21, 2005 8:30:19 am PST #2622 of 10459
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

a "proper" slayer would not have resented the actions of her watcher, because she would have been taught that she must "expect the unexpected"

That's how Inspector Clouseau preferred it around his house, too.


Gris - Dec 21, 2005 9:42:03 am PST #2623 of 10459
Hey. New board.

So Buffy should constantly be looking over her shoulder for the Spanish inquisition?

I guess MOO was pretty close to that, actually.


sumi - Dec 21, 2005 10:51:27 am PST #2624 of 10459
Art Crawl!!!

The actor who played Wesley's robot dad does the audio books for The Song of Ice and Fire.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 21, 2005 10:59:06 am PST #2625 of 10459
What is even happening?

Cindy, so what powerful emotional moments affected you and yet left you feeling unused?

Tara's death. Buffy's death. Xander seeing Spike and Anya having sex and the ensuing confrontation. Buffy's first scene with Angel-sans-soul, in his apartment, after he's lost his soul, but before she knew. Pretty much all of both parts of becoming. Joyce's death (apart from Mom, Mom, Mommy, and fruit punch). Angel's last shot on BtVS in Graduation Day. Buffy stabbing Faith to save Angel. The Prom. Pretty much all of New Moon Rising. That's only the beginning, and I haven't even touched A:ts.

I actually never saw that moment in Becoming as inspired primarily by spite (and if I did, I would have to violently dislike Xander, so I'm glad I don't). I think Xander didn't like Angel, and understandably liked Angelus even less, and thought Buffy ought to kill Angelus promptly without dilly-dallying around wondering if Willow would be able to resoul him. There was an extremely short timeframe to work within regarding not ending the world, and I think Xander was right not to risk Buffy getting sentimental.

I think Xander was (lucky to be proven) strategically right, and was morally wrong.

There is no way that I can turn "life-threatening test with no warning" into something that is not a betrayal of, at the very least, what is supposed to be a professional partnership.

This doesn't mention though, that the circumstances were supposed to be controlled. They weren't controlled well enough, obviously, but I've always figured Giles' understanding was not that Buffy's life was at risk, until after everything went to hell.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 21, 2005 11:16:57 am PST #2626 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well, the circumstances were presumably controlled to prevent the vampire from escaping and harming innocents. I never got the impression that the Watchers would intervene to save a Slayer who was failing the test.


§ ita § - Dec 21, 2005 12:08:40 pm PST #2627 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I never got the impression that the Watchers would intervene to save a Slayer who was failing the test.

They have no use for her, after all. Buffy should pass, because she's good.