Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
I actually never saw that moment in Becoming as inspired primarily by spite (and if I did, I would have to violently dislike Xander, so I'm glad I don't). I think Xander didn't like Angel, and understandably liked Angelus even less, and thought Buffy ought to kill Angelus promptly without dilly-dallying around wondering if Willow would be able to resoul him. There was an extremely short timeframe to work within regarding not ending the world, and I think Xander was right not to risk Buffy getting sentimental.
I'm going to agree with Katie here. I've always been in the minority in my opinion of that scene. I see the exchange as Xander seeing that Buffy has set herself for the task, and at the last moment has the maturity to
not
tell her there is some hope for Angel's soul to be restored. Sure, it does fit in with his dislike of Angel/Angelus, but it has always felt at least somewhat of an inner struggle was going on inside him. If he didn't want to tell her, why bother saying anything? Why not just have Xander say "Kick his ass" for his ownself?
Telling Buffy at that moment may have slowed her down, made her cautious. Once the portal was opened, she had no choice. Sure his motives may not have been pure, but I think he was being Zeppo!Xander.
I remember being briefly horrified by the way Giles behaved in "Helpless," but the episode hit my too-goofy meter. "On the off chance that a Slayer survives this long, let's give her a test that will probably kill her! Brilliant!" So I just kind of ignore it. Like Gunn selling his soul for a truck, y'know? Their behavior makes no sense, but neither does the situation, so I can't really incorporate it into how I view the characters.
Whereas Xander lying to Buffy seemed totally in-character. Whether it was the right or wrong thing to do was never a big concern for me. I believed he'd do that.
Slayers have seemed very disposable, which is odd considering the amount of effort involved in each one. But the commodity-nature displayed in Helpless didn't seem too off to me.
Gunn and the soul and the truck? I got nothing.
I suppose helping the built-in expiration date along makes more sense in the context of it being a way to get rid of Slayers who are growing more independent with age and more sure of their own power. Hence, less likely to blindly follow Watchers' orders. The ones who survive the test are presumably capable enough to be extra-valuable assets to the Council. And also, they've had a demonstration that the Watchers have a means to take away their power if they get too uppity.
Oh, it's probably in character for the Council, in retrospect. But I think that was our first exposure to them (?), so I was full of "Huh?" To be fair, I don't think I've watched it straight through since it aired; I remember thinking something like, "Wow, Giles is a jerk! Oh wait, they're all crazy. Okay, never mind."
Actually I think that episode did inspire a friend to come up with a brilliant theory about how the Watchers were going to be the Big Bad in S4. If that had happened, it probably would have helped because then "Helpless" would have been foreshadowing.
In completely unrelated news I saw about the last five minutes of "Harm's Way" this morning -- so. much. fun.
From USA Weekend Magazine:
James Marsters, so great in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel," is now on "Smallville." Anything else?
Beverlie Wages, Muncie, Ind.
He's shopping a TV pilot about "a conflicted hero who attacks with chains and razors." Marsters, 43, admits that as a kid, "superpower and the whole proving yourself physically and fighting was very interesting to me." Does his Brainiac intrigue his son, 9? Not at all, says the divorced Marsters. "It's more important I know the rules of Yu-Gi-Oh! and how to throw a Frisbee."
He's shopping a TV pilot about "a conflicted hero who attacks with chains and razors."
So, Spawn?
What makes it a betrayal and not a test, as you've described it?
She didn't know it was coming and it could very, very easily have killed her. It's not unreasonable for her to assume that her Watcher exists to support her in her calling, I don't think.
She didn't know it was coming and it could very, very easily have killed her. It's not unreasonable for her to assume that her Watcher exists to support her in her calling, I don't think.
Do you think Kendra would have been betrayed? Do you think that Kendra was expecting support from her Watcher?
I think the warrior framework in which they're treated like a commodity and whose lives are knowingly routinely threatened by men older than their fathers, but supported by the text.
Buffy was betrayed because she likes Giles, relies on Giles, looks up to Giles, has been protected paternally by Giles.
But Giles is also way black sheep.
I think it's an interesting test, myself. And if you know exactly where the next Slayer is coming from, it might be worth the risk.