Damn but it woulda been sweet if Dawn died anyway.
If the apocalypse comes, beep me.
Buffy ,'Selfless'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
bon bon - Nov 11, 2005 10:59:25 am PST #2418 of 10459
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 11, 2005 10:59:32 am PST #2419 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I honestly can't fault Buffy and Xander for not deciding to kill their best friend from the outset in order to keep her from killing Jonathan and Andrew. She didn't get all "mwah-ha-ha! And for my next trick, I'll burn the world to a cinder!" until she took Giles down, absorbed his borrowed powers, and overreacted to her heightened perception of other people's misery.
Had it been Angel in that situation, he just might have been ruthless enough to lop Willow's head off before she could do anything about it. But I don't think the other characters could make that sort of judgement call early enough for it to have done them any good.
IAmNotReallyASpring - Nov 11, 2005 11:49:34 am PST #2420 of 10459
I think Freddy Quimby should walk out of here a free hotel
Is there a show (with more than two seasons) that really lived up to the moral dilemmas presented?
Blake's 7. Moral dilemma was the ground it built its papier-mache sets on.
Jessica - Nov 11, 2005 11:51:52 am PST #2421 of 10459
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I bet Profit would have, eventually. If they'd let it live.
§ ita § - Nov 11, 2005 12:40:56 pm PST #2422 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I would love it if they hadn't -- if they'd been gleefully repercussion free.
Jessica - Nov 11, 2005 1:54:05 pm PST #2423 of 10459
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Oh I didn't mean for Profit himself, but the characters around him -- after all, to have a moral dilemna, you have to have morals.
Strega - Nov 11, 2005 2:01:34 pm PST #2424 of 10459
The discussion about how they can't possibly kill Willow comes after Willow has threatened to kill Dawn. Or at least, to stop her from whining, which I think must mean killing her, because what else would work?
Profit had plenty of moral problems. It's just that they're not exactly the same when you know that the character making the decision is utterly unconcerned with doing what is morally right. But he certainly enjoys presenting other characters with dilemmas. The finale, in particular, has a doozy. Hilarity ensues.
(x-posting 'cause I'm very slow...)
Narrator - Nov 11, 2005 2:05:30 pm PST #2425 of 10459
The evil is this way?
The discussion about how they can't possibly kill Willow comes after Willow has threatened to kill Dawn. Or at least, to stop her from whining, which I think must mean killing her, because what else would work?
I don't think death could stop Dawn from whining. Her whines were immortal (but not "The Immortal", whoever-the-heck he's supposed to be, besides a plot device to make Spike and Angel jealous and even so, who cares and ... oh look, a shiny nickel!).
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 11, 2005 2:29:12 pm PST #2426 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'm now imagining a little green ball of energy shrieking "Get out! Get Out! GET OUT!!!" and trying in vain to swipe shiny objects from countertops when no one is looking.
Kalshane - Nov 11, 2005 2:59:23 pm PST #2427 of 10459
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
That makes me wonder if crazy people still see her as a big green ball of energy.