Well, it's just good to know that when the chips are down and things look grim you'll feed off the girl who loves you to save your own ass!

Xander ,'Chosen'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


P.M. Marc - Oct 19, 2005 10:36:40 am PDT #2200 of 10459
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The whole "But he's changed now!" school of justification for S7 Spike.

First, for violating show, don't tell.

Second, for basically using the same line that shows up whenever someone takes an abusive partner back and taking it at face value. (I think if you go back into the Spoiler archives, I've ranted about this at length.)

Third, for attempting to have their character cake and eat it too by not making the changes in the character all that major.

Jilli and I have discussed at some length how they could have possibly made it work. Visual cues, like the inch long roots of basement crazy, oddly enough, would have helped a lot.


bon bon - Oct 19, 2005 10:38:55 am PDT #2201 of 10459
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'm well aware that I'm like the only person who had a problem with a tonal shift from "dark and disturbing drama" to "show that cites to Fraggle Rock."

Freak. Maybe if he'd stalked Fred or something, you'd have liked him more?

There is no level of creepiness that will get me attracted to muppets.


Amy - Oct 19, 2005 10:39:18 am PDT #2202 of 10459
Because books.

Third, for attempting to have their character cake and eat it too by not making the changes in the character all that major.

Exactly. He's crazy! He's not crazy! He's crazy again! O...kay.

And I felt like I could see the moment when the writers decided, Hey! Let's use the crazy thing and have the First manipulating him! What the hell!

Season 7 makes me so sad.


§ ita § - Oct 19, 2005 10:41:07 am PDT #2203 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm like the only person who had a problem with a tonal shift from "dark and disturbing drama" to "show that cites to Fraggle Rock."

See, the shift from Epiphany to Pylea pissed me off. I thought the muppets were much darker than Pylea, so it didn't jar at all.

There is no level of creepiness that will get me attracted to muppets.

But it turns out there's a level of muppetness that can get me attracted to Oliver.

Go figure.


bon bon - Oct 19, 2005 10:44:39 am PDT #2204 of 10459
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

There is no level of creepiness that will get me attracted to muppets.

But it turns out there's a level of muppetness that can get me attracted to Oliver.

I know I can always count on you to bat what I'm pitching way out of the park.


Steph L. - Oct 19, 2005 10:45:20 am PDT #2205 of 10459
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Oliver, like OC Oliver?!?


§ ita § - Oct 19, 2005 10:51:42 am PDT #2206 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I know I can always count on you to bat what I'm pitching way out of the park.

And proudly.

Oliver, like OC Oliver?!?

Can't you see it? I can see it. It's quite cuddly.


Maria - Oct 19, 2005 10:55:51 am PDT #2207 of 10459
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

I'm so glad I never got sucked into the OC. My life is woobiefied enough as it is.


Steph L. - Oct 19, 2005 10:56:18 am PDT #2208 of 10459
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Oliver, like OC Oliver?!?

Can't you see it? I can see it. It's quite cuddly.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.


§ ita § - Oct 19, 2005 10:58:17 am PDT #2209 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My life is woobiefied enough as it is.

Trust me. The unplush version is quite psycho and repulsive. But all that nutness in a little puppet version? Whee!

And, yeah, topic -- RIGHT. The coyness about PodGiles (coyness, crap writing, whatever). That did make me quite angry too.