Old trusty soda machine. I push you for root beer, you give me Coke.

Willow ,'End of Days'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Polter-Cow - Aug 15, 2005 5:55:21 pm PDT #1905 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Okay, eirefaerie was reliving the days of badfic on TWoP, and she posted the links to two hilariously bad pieces I thought I'd share:

"THE BEATLES 100 VAMPIRES 0," in which it is discovered that vampires hate the Beatles.

"Xander's Guardian Angel," the sequel, in which it is discovered that John Lennon is Xander's guardian angel.


Strega - Aug 15, 2005 6:22:03 pm PDT #1906 of 10458

Oh my god! I read those years ago and still quote them sometimes. So beautiful.


Volans - Aug 16, 2005 1:33:53 am PDT #1907 of 10458
move out and draw fire

I agree. I don't think though, that every story has to be socially responsible. It's fiction. If Buffy weren't put forth as take-back-the-night girl, my expectations of how she would be presented would have been different, and on plot points like her reaction to Spike after the rape attempt, they would be lower. If you're telling random individual's story, and that random individual isn't being put forth as a hero, you could actually have her be happy she was forced into sex/raped. I probably wouldn't want to read it, but that's a different issue.

I completely agree. Stephen R. Donaldson wrote a science-fiction series about 10 years ago that people kept trying to get me to read, and, due to the continual rape of the major female character, I just couldn't. I mean, I threw Lord Foul's Bane across the room when the hero raped the girl, but on later reading I got that he was an anti-hero and pays for the rape, over and over. But in this new series I was supposed to somehow be impressed by the woman being raped repeatedly? Nah.

I think Noxon et al did something unintended with the Spike/Buffy relationship though. What you end up getting is a statement that this Take-Back-the-Night heroine is damaged goods, and that's kind of an interesting statement. Heroes used to have to be perfect; now we've got a hero who clearly has issues, but is still a hero. Buffy frequently was bitchy, also interesting in a hero, but her relationship with Spike after the rape attempt made her interesting three-dimensional. It's even more Take-Back-the-Night, in a way, saying that you can be pretty fucked up and still be a hero if you choose to be.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 16, 2005 3:50:43 am PDT #1908 of 10458
What is even happening?

I think Noxon et al did something unintended with the Spike/Buffy relationship though. What you end up getting is a statement that this Take-Back-the-Night heroine is damaged goods, and that's kind of an interesting statement. Heroes used to have to be perfect; now we've got a hero who clearly has issues, but is still a hero. Buffy frequently was bitchy, also interesting in a hero, but her relationship with Spike after the rape attempt made her interesting three-dimensional. It's even more Take-Back-the-Night, in a way, saying that you can be pretty fucked up and still be a hero if you choose to be.
I agree with this. But if they'd given us a grand romance with Spike and Buffy in season seven, I might have felt differently.


Betsy HP - Aug 16, 2005 7:48:07 am PDT #1909 of 10458
If I only had a brain...

Anybody who wants Willow jewelry (which was much less tragic than Willow clothing), look here: [link]

I have several Peggy Li pieces and am very fond of them.


Betsy HP - Aug 16, 2005 7:51:03 am PDT #1910 of 10458
If I only had a brain...

Oh, and on-set on the GWTW movie, everybody referred to the scene as "the husbandly rape". Note that according to the law at the time, which can reasonably be assumed to represent some sort of social consensus, you couldn't rape your wife: marriage was automatic consent.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 16, 2005 9:58:17 am PDT #1911 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Wonder if that would also have applied to a wife using one of her "hysteria remedies" on a husband despite his protests. Some of those 19th century devices looked pretty dangerous.


sumi - Aug 18, 2005 6:13:25 am PDT #1912 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!

Jossiverse actors publicizing their new gigs.

Pictures of CC, DB, NB, SG and CK. I wonder why no AH?


Polter-Cow - Aug 18, 2005 6:16:48 am PDT #1913 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I didn't know Christian Kane had a show. Aw, cool.

I also didn't realize Charisma was going to be a "regular." I thought it was a guest role. Maybe they expanded it once they found out how popular she was.


Vortex - Aug 18, 2005 6:25:17 am PDT #1914 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I wonder why no AH?

well, they said "(sans Alyson Hannigan who we just missed and is starring on CBS's new comedy HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER). Enjoy!"