'Out Of Gas'
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
I don't think the *writers,* however, presented Spike's actions in a favorable light.
Favourable, no. But way more forgivable than I felt, and the disconnect threatened to taint the ensuing plotlines (hence dismissal in my head -- not to preserve widdle Spike, but just to buy anything that happened with him later).
She starts out by saying (thinking) that he'd "humbled her, hurt her, used her brutally."
See, I read it more than 10 years ago, and so I couldn't remember anything specific about the book -- other than Rhett's great line when he dramatically embraces Scarlett by the wagon while Atlanta burns in the background -- "There's a soldier in the South who loves you, Scarlett," -- in the book, he doesn't say "loves you," he said "wants you."
And wow, they really are the Antebellum Crazyfen Spuffy, aren't they?
So very much.
And it looks like I may have to forgive TB for liking salmon, for lo, he has proved himself once again as my one true imaginary internet boyfriend.
Yaaaay!
Did anyone notice the little Buffy riff in the (fab, incidentally) Weeds pilot? Boy to girl "All you need to do is talk about bear hunting and I'm good to go" Girl to boy "all I have to do is talk about linoleum and you're good to go..." Now, the idea is obvious, but the specific material?
When I watched the rape, I thought "No, the Spike in my head still would do evil things -- just not that one, not now, not here." But, I figured, if they wanted him well tarnished, that's a quick and easy way.
I think this is what I'm trying to say when I say "the writers made him do it." At the time, I said an attempted vamping would have made the point and not seemed out of character. But on the other hand, making it rape made it explicitly a bad thing done by the man in Spike and not the monster. The wrong Bad Thing, maybe, but it sure did get their point across in a hurry.
And like many of you, I felt there was no coming back from it. But I'm not sure the writers would have known what to do with Spike in S7 (beyond "But he's different, he has a soul") even without a rape.
Again, I think they made a mistake cutting the (and I'm using this term more to describe what I think they had in mind for Spike's mindset, and not to smooth over or forgive the obvious intent) forced seduction set up scene.
Possibly. It certainly would have made it more clear that Spike wasn't a fluffy puppy who just wanted to be loved, but I'm not sure it wouldn't have been easy to overlook.
But on the other hand, making it rape made it explicitly a bad thing done by the man in Spike and not the monster.Oh, I always interpreted the attempted rape as purposefully saying something about the man, not the monster. The monster was defanged a lont time before. It was the man-Spike who lacked the tools to be a decent man, even when he was motivated to be good. Buffy didn't make him want to be a monster. Because of his feelings for Buffy, Spike felt like a man when he was feeling good about himself, and felt like actual manhood was just out of his grasp when he wasn't. I understand why the betrayal had to happen at the man/woman level rather than the vamp/slayer level of their relationship.
Jessica,
Upstream, you mentioned something about the attempted rape scene, and that it was the worst directed scene in the history of the show, or something like that. How so? I know nothing about film. I like what I like and that's it. What were some of the problems you saw in the direction?
Well first off, they were using the Shaky Handheld Camera of MASSIVE TRAUMA as a cheap and easy shortcut to "realism." Second, I didn't recognize either of the characters. It was like they'd filmed SMG and JM workshopping a scene from another show (possibly a training video for "Directing 101: How To Film A Really Clichéd Rape Scene"). The delivery was just...off. All of which added up to my having zero visceral reaction to the scene, and instead being more annoyed by it than anything else.
Entropy wins the prize for Worst Directed Episode, though, hands-down. If the DVD commentary revealed that they'd handed that ep over to a high-school A/V club, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Entropy wins the prize for Worst Directed Episode, though, hands-down.
I don't even remember that episode, or what season it was in. I'm assuming S6 or S7, because I'm pretty good on the ep titles from S1-5.
S6, the one with the hidden cameras and Spike/Anya sex in the Magic Box.
I remember it's right after Hell's Belles, and that Anya becomes a vengeance demon again.
That is it.