Congratulations to the class of 1999. You all proved more or less adequate.

Snyder ,'Chosen'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 10, 2005 4:02:24 pm PDT #1803 of 10458
What is even happening?

I'm a little bummed because Aly's series is going to be on at the same time as Seth's series. I think Seth wins me first.


Amy - Aug 10, 2005 5:22:55 pm PDT #1804 of 10458
Because books.

Ears perk up...

Aly's series is going to be on at the same time as Seth's series

Seth has a series, too? I missed this news. Off to Google.


Daisy Jane - Aug 10, 2005 8:09:20 pm PDT #1805 of 10458
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Is there anywhere besides here for good, intelligent Buffy talk? A friend of a friend is looking, and I'll point them here as a last resort, but I'd rather they went elsewhere.


sumi - Aug 11, 2005 5:26:37 am PDT #1806 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!

Wait, AH, NB and SG ALL have series that are airing at the SAME TIME!!!

What kind of sick joke is this?


-t - Aug 11, 2005 5:48:16 am PDT #1807 of 10458
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

AFAICT, Four Kings (Seth's show) won't be launched in the Fall - it's part of "NBC's strategy of launching series all year long". NBC will be showing something called "Surface" opposite AH's and NB's shows as of 9/19.


Amy - Aug 11, 2005 5:55:44 am PDT #1808 of 10458
Because books.

Is there anywhere besides here for good, intelligent Buffy talk?

There are a handful of hardcore posters at the Bronze: Beta who still discuss the shows regularly. Linear board, though, so s/he'd have to wade through other stuff to find it.


§ ita § - Aug 11, 2005 6:33:49 pm PDT #1809 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

TiVo grabbed Smashed for me, and how could I not? There was a bit of fast-forwarding past the Willow parts, but the first Buffy/Spike fight scene -- man, I remember when I thought that "come back wrong" was going to have a payoff other than getting them into the wrong nookie.


Monique - Aug 11, 2005 6:44:05 pm PDT #1810 of 10458

Posting here because I don't post much, so I feel bad pimping things in a general announcements thread -- but we've got a new audioblog entry up at NickBrendon.com.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 12, 2005 4:59:03 am PDT #1811 of 10458
What is even happening?

Scott and I are slowly working our way through BtVS in order. Well, not slowly enough. We just watched Revelations, which I think is the seventh episode of season 3, so we're nearly halfway through the series. There's not enough time! Actually, there's too much time, given how few episodes there are.

This is the third time I've watched at least part of Revelations in as many nights. The first night, Scott and I both fell asleep, because we've been just generally knackered. The second night, he had to do some work from home, so I put it back on, to watch it, again. Last night, he wanted to see it, so we watched it again. Although I've re-watched a lot of (most--all) episodes, I don't usually rewatch three nights in a row. I was unenthusiastic about rewatching it yet again, but am so glad I did.

I've always liked Revelations. I came in during season 3, so most of it is near and dear to my heart (and it's arguably one of the better seasons). Last night, I was able to pay attention to the sort of detail I don't usually catch. ASH's acting is generally transparent to me (which is a good thing--he's good enough I never think about his acting). But last night, I was able to take great pleasure in the subtlety of his approach to the role. His physicality and expressions--particularly when he's dealing with Gwendolyn Post, Mrs.--show so much. You can feel him wanting to take a swing at her, and keeping his body in check--relying on Giles' British reserve. You can see the tension in his shoulders. His face makes you feel his defeat.

You can feel his ease (just before she knocks him cold, and heads off to Crawford St. for the glove) in his body, hear it in his voice, see it on his face, once he's able to tell Post that his slayer's team has the glove in its possession, *and* that he's discovered how to destroy it with living flame.

Blocking, pretty photography and lighting are also elements that are usually transparent to me, unless they're glaringly absent. But last night, I noticed their presence. After the gang has had their we-fail-to-use-I-statments intervention with Buffy (the blocking of which is brilliant, from Xander's giving his seat to Buffy, on), over Angel's return and her smoochies with him, Giles sort of stands up for Buffy, and then dismisses the gang to their classes. Buffy follows him into his office to thank him.

We can see Giles is still visibly upset though, even before he says the lines to Buffy about not reminding her that the fate of the world yada yada yada, but apparently needing to remind her that not so long ago Angel tortured him, for pleasure, and for hours. During this scene, Giles is standing in front of his desk, and there's a painting on the wall behind him. It has either a sun or a moon (the painting is in shadow, so it's hard to tell). The scene is lit such that light, which I think is supposed to be sunlight filtering through one part of a side window (and really does have the warm glow of real sunlight), hits only a certain part of his face. The lighting also manages to illuminate the sun/moon in the painting, although almost no other part of the painting. It's so beautiful and subtle, it's almost as if the sun/moon in the painting is glowing, and is what is lighting up Giles face. Just thought I'd share.

Storywise, this episode is pretty integral to the season, too. It sets up Faith's alienation from the gang. It shows us how Buffy is not the only one with issues over not being the only slayer, and that Faith really needs to be "the one" to someone, which is what makes her so susceptible to Post's manipulations. Post didn't even have to break a sweat, winning over Faith. Faith is so susceptible, she continues to hold the you-exclude-me grudge, even at the end, when Buffy goes to her to try to make amends. That she quotes Post about her room being Spartan reveals so much, in so few words. It's a great set-up for her relationship with the Mayor.

Another thing I like about this episode is (continued...)


Topic!Cindy - Aug 12, 2005 4:59:07 am PDT #1812 of 10458
What is even happening?

( continues...) that everyone is wrong. The gang is wrong to jump to so many conclusions about Angel, and doubt Buffy. Buffy is wrong, to jumpt to so many conclusions about Angel, and assume he's safe. I am a big supporter of Buffy's intuition. She works best when she works intuitively. I'm not suggesting she should doubt it. But since Angel was so easily turned the last time, the risks she took here (even though time will prove her right) are enormous, and she was unnecessarily foolhardy to undertake such risk, without at least confiding in one character.

The set up for the Xander/Willow reveal in Lover's Walk ticks along nicely, too. It's a testament to the writing and Alyson Hannigan's acting, that my reaction to Willow's plight over her illicit smoochies with Xander, is more sympathetic than anything else. I'm less sympathetic to Xander during this story. True, his relationship with Cordy is an odd one. But I can understand and identify with Willow's motives much better. She had a huge crush on Xander for most of her life. Xander here, seems to want Willow, because for once, Willow is involved with someone else--someone who really interests her, and who seems crazy about her.

I'll arbitrarily stop here. It seems I never run out of ways to talk about this show, so I'll just close by saying I love it, so.