Buffy ,'Lessons'
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
So do we leave Buffy someplace ont he hope that it's NOT horrible, or bring her back where we KNOW she'll be okay?
I think that the definition of "okay" is relative. She'll still be the Slayer, still putting her life in danger every day.
Although, I think that it was not a baseless assumption that Buffy was in a hell dimension. She died closing the door to one, so it wasn't unreasonable to think that she might have ended up there.
but I think her intentions were good.
you know what the say about the road to a hell dimension . . .
I don't see any reason to think that she was lying here. Not thinking things through, sure; not thinking as she should about the possible negative consequences of what she did, definitely; but I think her intentions were good.
Concur.
Although, I think that it was not a baseless assumption that Buffy was in a hell dimension. She died closing the door to one, so it wasn't unreasonable to think that she might have ended up there.
Concur.
Also, Anya did have reservations about the resurrection but frankly didn't care that much that it was WRONG.
I think Willow honestly believed that Buffy was in a hell dimension and really it makes sense. anytime someone was sent to another dimension, it was a hell-like existence. though you could also argue that when that happened their bodies were taken as well and Buffy's wasn't.
I think they all had a bit of "hellmouth on the brain" when thinking it out. it doesn't even cross their mind that Buffy had paid her dues and could quite possibly be getting rewarded with heaven.
you know what the say about the road to a hell dimension . . .
Oh, absolutely. That's what makes it an interesting story, you know? Willow absolutely believed that she was Doing Right. Even when she did uncontestable evil to Tara, she believed she was in the right.
Did Buffy die in the portal or when she hit the ground? It sounds flippant, but it makes a difference in the "she died in the portal" thing.
Did Buffy die in the portal or when she hit the ground? It sounds flippant, but it makes a difference in the "she died in the portal" thing.
How would they know in either case? Looks like she died in the portal though, what with the being wracked painfully by supernatural energies.
Did Buffy die in the portal or when she hit the ground?
Where's CSI? Oh, wait, wrong network.
How would they know in either case? Looks like she died in the portal though, what with the being wracked painfully by supernatural energies.
Especially with the sureptitious burial. Not a lot of examination time, I'll wager.
Why would you presume she'd have to tamper with their minds to get them to go along? It really doesn't seem out of character for Xander and Tara to defer to her in Giles' absence.Did you read the whole thing, Hec? I don't think she put the whammy on their minds. I don't necessarily think she would have had to manipulate them *in order to* get them to go along, but she did manipulate them, seemingly in order to ensure they kept going along.
I saw the text and she was manipulative. I'm not assessing her motives, just giving a (text-based) reading of her actions. I'm not presuming.
She withheld information, like where and how she got the Vino de Madre, that she knew what it was, and what it actually was. She (and Tara, Xander, and Anya) also purposefully kept Giles, Spike and Dawn in the dark. She may have actually lied about the Vino de madre. I can't remember if it involved an outright lie, or just that she withheld information.