I'm a Fred-hater. I don't judge.

I am Typo Boy. My Willow blind spot makes it up to the pre-addiction anvil only, however, when she first made Tara forget and it looked like that storyline still had the potential to be very good.

I would still forgive her for that, I think, just as I forgive Xander for telling Buffy to "Kick his ass." but it was a big adulation turning point for me. Tara deserved much better.

I have never been convinced that Tara would have agreed to bring back Buffy, especially after the Joyce debacle, without a little "push" from Willow.

I agree, connie. And, if I actually consider it long and hard, that's a big Willow turning point for me, too, along the same lines as the Tara-forgets plot point.

Of course, if she DIDN'T bring Buffy back, show gone. So sometimes I write it off as a necessary evil. Though that's probably underestimating our show.

I have never been convinced that Tara would have agreed to bring back Buffy, especially after the Joyce debacle, without a little "push" from Willow.

She didn't really show any backbone with Willow until the memory violation was revealed to her. I think she definitely would've deferred to Willow as Head Witch, Buffy's best friend and experienced-with-this-shit Scoobie. On top of the fact that she was all googly eyed with love.

Just parroting my earlier comment that I think Tara's lines in "Bargaining" made it pretty clear that she had a good idea how dangerous and wrong their plans re; Buffy were, and chose to hop on the tombstone-rolling bandwagon anyway.

I don't credit Willow with the subtelty to tamper with her mind in such a way that Tara'd choose to do such a risky thing in violation of her ethics and still have strong vocal doubts about the rightness of it. She'd have been cheerleading the attempt as the equivalent of posting bail for a friend after a night in the drunk tank.

I think Willow tampered with Tara's mind and with all of their minds where the resurrection spell was concerned, but only in conventional ways. She manipulated and withheld information, and generally exploited their trust in her. I'm not sure if she outright lied about any of the details. I haven't watched S6, in a long time.

I think Willow tampered with Tara's mind and with all of their minds where the resurrection spell was concerned, but only in conventional ways. She manipulated and withheld information, and generally exploited their trust in her. I'm not sure if she outright lied about any of the details. I haven't watched S6, in a long time.

Why would you presume she'd have to tamper with their minds to get them to go along? It really doesn't seem out of character for Xander and Tara to defer to her in Giles' absence.

Willow's key arguments were "We need her," and "She's being tormented in a hell dimension." The first was true (but that doesn't mean it was sufficient to justify bringing Buffy back).

So if she was being manipulative, it was on the hell dimension argument. And that's possible. Willow should have known that there were a lot of dimensions out there, and not all of them were hell-y (remember the "world without shrimp"?).

Xander, and Tara to a lesser extent, may have bought Willow's argument -- and Xander in particular may have made the decision first and sought the reason later. But Anya definitely should have seen the logical flaw in Willow's argument -- she's had first-hand experience of "many dimensions."

Maybe nto tamper with Xander, so much, but I don't buy shyness and a habit of conceding to Willow as sufficient to make Tara willing to do a resurrection--especially after Tara was so adamant about the wrongness of bringing back Joyce. I wonder if it got out that Dawn did it anyway and how. I don't see Tara conceding a major moral point just to make Willow stop pouting.