Hec, that isn't the defining incident of my PodGiles characterization. It's just that it happens after it, and so, doesn't really fall under the same rules, to me.
You turned evil a lot faster than I thought you would.
Angel ,'Just Rewards (2)'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
DebetEsse - Aug 08, 2005 5:40:47 pm PDT #1748 of 10458
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Typo Boy - Aug 08, 2005 6:42:56 pm PDT #1749 of 10458
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
My blindspot is conventional - Willow up to the whole friggin addiction anvil. Killing bambi, bringing back buffy from the dead without even friggin digging her out of her coffin first - if Willow does it is is just loveable bumbling. Also had a bit of a Fred shaped blind spot too.
Allyson - Aug 08, 2005 7:14:58 pm PDT #1750 of 10458
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I'm a Willow-hater. Does this make me a bad person?
DavidS - Aug 08, 2005 7:26:45 pm PDT #1751 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Does this make me a bad person?
I'm going to have to say you are a bad person. But I think you'll just revel in that.
Cass - Aug 08, 2005 8:29:46 pm PDT #1752 of 10458
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I'm a Fred-hater. I don't judge.
Gris - Aug 09, 2005 6:26:23 am PDT #1753 of 10458
Hey. New board.
I am Typo Boy. My Willow blind spot makes it up to the pre-addiction anvil only, however, when she first made Tara forget and it looked like that storyline still had the potential to be very good.
I would still forgive her for that, I think, just as I forgive Xander for telling Buffy to "Kick his ass." but it was a big adulation turning point for me. Tara deserved much better.
Connie Neil - Aug 09, 2005 6:30:25 am PDT #1754 of 10458
brillig
I have never been convinced that Tara would have agreed to bring back Buffy, especially after the Joyce debacle, without a little "push" from Willow.
Gris - Aug 09, 2005 6:32:28 am PDT #1755 of 10458
Hey. New board.
I agree, connie. And, if I actually consider it long and hard, that's a big Willow turning point for me, too, along the same lines as the Tara-forgets plot point.
Of course, if she DIDN'T bring Buffy back, show gone. So sometimes I write it off as a necessary evil. Though that's probably underestimating our show.
DavidS - Aug 09, 2005 8:08:29 am PDT #1756 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I have never been convinced that Tara would have agreed to bring back Buffy, especially after the Joyce debacle, without a little "push" from Willow.
She didn't really show any backbone with Willow until the memory violation was revealed to her. I think she definitely would've deferred to Willow as Head Witch, Buffy's best friend and experienced-with-this-shit Scoobie. On top of the fact that she was all googly eyed with love.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 09, 2005 8:19:18 am PDT #1757 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Just parroting my earlier comment that I think Tara's lines in "Bargaining" made it pretty clear that she had a good idea how dangerous and wrong their plans re; Buffy were, and chose to hop on the tombstone-rolling bandwagon anyway.
I don't credit Willow with the subtelty to tamper with her mind in such a way that Tara'd choose to do such a risky thing in violation of her ethics and still have strong vocal doubts about the rightness of it. She'd have been cheerleading the attempt as the equivalent of posting bail for a friend after a night in the drunk tank.