I think it's that sense people identify with her, they hope that they'll get away with stuff too.
But I over-identify with Xander, so I guess according to role I should forgive Willow everything.
No, it's shiny! I like to meet new people. They've all got stories...
Kaylee ,'Serenity'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Volans - Aug 07, 2005 2:11:41 am PDT #1681 of 10458
move out and draw fire
Jessica - Aug 07, 2005 5:44:05 am PDT #1682 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
sometimes, it seems to me like the identification hides some of her ugly bits, or something.
See, I identify with the ugly bits too. Much more than I ever identified with the ugly bits of Buffy or Xander.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 07, 2005 5:52:23 am PDT #1683 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
With Jessica about that. There are relatively few of Willow's mistakes/transgressions that I couldn't see myself making under similar circumstances. Though I wouldn't think cutesy apologies and cookie baking would make up for them.
Lee - Aug 07, 2005 7:33:30 am PDT #1684 of 10458
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Ewww. Cordy is giving Connor something real on my TV right now.
P.M. Marc - Aug 07, 2005 10:10:41 am PDT #1685 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I identified a lot with Buffy's ugly bits. We share a lot of negative personality traits, which is why I always flinch a little when I see people in fandom talk about how they'd never be able to stand a bitch like Buffy in real life. And also why I'm confused by the argument that Buffy is, by virtue of those negative traits, a masculine character, thus making Spike the abused and feeble woman.
What. Ev.
Ewww. Cordy is giving Connor something real on my TV right now.
Crap. Left the notebook in the car. Have to finish Connor/Faith post NFA. Thanks for the reminder.
Mmm. Something real.
Topic!Cindy - Aug 07, 2005 10:26:01 am PDT #1686 of 10458
What is even happening?
See, I identify with the ugly bits too. Much more than I ever identified with the ugly bits of Buffy or Xander.
I do understand identifying with the ugly bits of whichever character. I don't understand ignoring them. I don't see that here, in general. This place was like the last sane haven during season 6, particularly after the murder of Tara, and Spike's attempted rape of Buffy.
I identified a lot with Buffy's ugly bits. We share a lot of negative personality traits, which is why I always flinch a little when I see people in fandom talk about how they'd never be able to stand a bitch like Buffy in real life.Heh. Yeah. Me, too.
And also why I'm confused by the argument that Buffy is, by virtue of those negative traits, a masculine character, thus making Spike the abused and feeble woman.
I have seen Spike put forth as the abuse victim (I think their relationship was mutually abusive), and Buffy as the mean bitch who abused him. I haven't seen the Buffy-is-the-masculine-character theory, nor the Spike-is-woman theory.
I did once read a blog or lj entry (yonks and yonks and yet more yonks ago) about Spike/Buffy being the real queer relationship on BtVS. I thought it made some interesting points, but I have no idea where I read it.
Lee - Aug 07, 2005 11:41:41 am PDT #1687 of 10458
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Crap. Left the notebook in the car. Have to finish Connor/Faith post NFA. Thanks for the reminder.
Well then it was worth my pain, wasn't it?
Lyra Jane - Aug 07, 2005 1:26:56 pm PDT #1688 of 10458
Up with the sun
I haven't seen the Buffy-is-the-masculine-character theory, nor the Spike-is-woman theory.
I've seen the former as a part of the "Spike/Buffy is really slash" theory. To which my reaction is always "Say what?".
sfmarty - Aug 07, 2005 2:07:09 pm PDT #1689 of 10458
Who? moi??
Joss's commentary on the Angel DVDs says he considers Angel and Spike to be the perfect couple. In another place (can't remember just where now) he refers to Spike as the ingenue.
sumi - Aug 07, 2005 2:09:57 pm PDT #1690 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!
Damn! I can't believe I chose to not watch Antiques Roadshow FYI today!