Oh, yeah. There was this time I was pinned down by this guy that played left tackle for varsity... Well, at least he used to before he was a vampire... Anyway, he had this really, really thick neck, and all I had was a little, little Exact-O knife ... You're not loving this story.

Buffy ,'Beneath You'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


libkitty - Aug 07, 2005 12:30:49 am PDT #1677 of 10458
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Apparently it's something called Antiques Roadshow FYI. It's kind of funny, as I haven't watched the show for more than a minute or two in probably a year or more. Then, I'm bored and knitting, so I didn't change the channel, and up pops the Angel sub. They even mentioned Angel; I didn't just recognize it. I think it must have been fate, or perhaps someone is taking pity on me missing so much of the Serenity stuff coming out.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 07, 2005 12:44:57 am PDT #1678 of 10458
What is even happening?

It's on PBS here, in fact, it might be produced by the Boston PBS station. I'll have to remember to check.


Volans - Aug 07, 2005 1:00:47 am PDT #1679 of 10458
move out and draw fire

I still kind of wish they hadn't restored Angel's soul again in "Orpheus." I so would have been there if they'd just tacked the two extra letters onto the title permanently

"Slorpheus?" "Orpheusic?" "Morpheusy?" "Dorphemus?"

Oh. Different title.

I don't hate Willow. I just don't get the extreme Willow love in fandom. She got away with an awful lot over the years, I think maybe because Ms. Hannigan's so cute, and so good at playing the part.

ITA. Plus, I think Willow's the character most viewers identify with.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 07, 2005 1:30:32 am PDT #1680 of 10458
What is even happening?

I think so, too, but sometimes, it seems to me like the identification hides some of her ugly bits, or something. I think Willow is a fantastic character, and Aly played her with perfect pitch. I don't think Willow would be my first choice as a friend in the 'verse.


Volans - Aug 07, 2005 2:11:41 am PDT #1681 of 10458
move out and draw fire

I think it's that sense people identify with her, they hope that they'll get away with stuff too.

But I over-identify with Xander, so I guess according to role I should forgive Willow everything.


Jessica - Aug 07, 2005 5:44:05 am PDT #1682 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

sometimes, it seems to me like the identification hides some of her ugly bits, or something.

See, I identify with the ugly bits too. Much more than I ever identified with the ugly bits of Buffy or Xander.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 07, 2005 5:52:23 am PDT #1683 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

With Jessica about that. There are relatively few of Willow's mistakes/transgressions that I couldn't see myself making under similar circumstances. Though I wouldn't think cutesy apologies and cookie baking would make up for them.


Lee - Aug 07, 2005 7:33:30 am PDT #1684 of 10458
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Ewww. Cordy is giving Connor something real on my TV right now.


P.M. Marc - Aug 07, 2005 10:10:41 am PDT #1685 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I identified a lot with Buffy's ugly bits. We share a lot of negative personality traits, which is why I always flinch a little when I see people in fandom talk about how they'd never be able to stand a bitch like Buffy in real life. And also why I'm confused by the argument that Buffy is, by virtue of those negative traits, a masculine character, thus making Spike the abused and feeble woman.

What. Ev.

Ewww. Cordy is giving Connor something real on my TV right now.

Crap. Left the notebook in the car. Have to finish Connor/Faith post NFA. Thanks for the reminder.

Mmm. Something real.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 07, 2005 10:26:01 am PDT #1686 of 10458
What is even happening?

See, I identify with the ugly bits too. Much more than I ever identified with the ugly bits of Buffy or Xander.

I do understand identifying with the ugly bits of whichever character. I don't understand ignoring them. I don't see that here, in general. This place was like the last sane haven during season 6, particularly after the murder of Tara, and Spike's attempted rape of Buffy.

I identified a lot with Buffy's ugly bits. We share a lot of negative personality traits, which is why I always flinch a little when I see people in fandom talk about how they'd never be able to stand a bitch like Buffy in real life.
Heh. Yeah. Me, too.

And also why I'm confused by the argument that Buffy is, by virtue of those negative traits, a masculine character, thus making Spike the abused and feeble woman.

I have seen Spike put forth as the abuse victim (I think their relationship was mutually abusive), and Buffy as the mean bitch who abused him. I haven't seen the Buffy-is-the-masculine-character theory, nor the Spike-is-woman theory.

I did once read a blog or lj entry (yonks and yonks and yet more yonks ago) about Spike/Buffy being the real queer relationship on BtVS. I thought it made some interesting points, but I have no idea where I read it.