Since several people mentioned liking the TGiQ subplot with Illyria & Fred's parents... could someone elaborate on that? I know my feelings for the characters involved didn't make me terribly receptive to that story, but I'd like to at least understand what other people got from it, even if I can't feel it myself. For me, those scenes were far more unpleasant to watch than the Italian hijinks.
I'm a single undead gal trying to make it in the big city. I have to start somewhere and they're evil here. They don't judge. They've got necro-tempered glass. No burning up. A great medical plan, and who needs dental more than us?
Harmony ,'Conviction (1)'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Strega - Jun 28, 2005 10:54:38 am PDT #1280 of 10467
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 28, 2005 10:56:45 am PDT #1281 of 10467
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
There was the cool shock value, and getting to watch Wesley's pained response, and seeing the wheels turning in Illyria's mind as it started exploring opportunities to manipulate and influence people that didn't rely on overwhelming brute force.
§ ita § - Jun 28, 2005 11:00:09 am PDT #1282 of 10467
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I thought that AD and AA knocked it out of the park, and it was just harrowing for me in general.
Polter-Cow - Jun 28, 2005 11:01:20 am PDT #1283 of 10467
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
What Matt and ita said.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 28, 2005 11:03:59 am PDT #1284 of 10467
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Also, Burkles! The one pair of sane, loving, non-dead parents in the entire Jossverse!
Strega - Jun 28, 2005 11:14:57 am PDT #1285 of 10467
Oh, I liked the Burkles. That's why I was so horrifed.
Connie Neil - Jun 28, 2005 11:27:00 am PDT #1286 of 10467
brillig
It was heartbreaking, storywise, but my biggest thrill was watching AA's acting, being cheerful, standard Fred one second then whipsawing into calculating Illyria.
Susan W. - Jun 28, 2005 11:28:34 am PDT #1287 of 10467
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
Mainly, though, it was that they took several possibilities with inherent, on-going conflict (Macqui vs. Federation on the same ship; re-humanized, de-hiveminded Borg) and did the least interesting things with them which resulted in draining all internal conflict (and, hence, the best potential for drama) from the show.
Wrod. Which is why IMO the real Voyager is the Talking Stick/Circle fanfiction cycle, which still reigns as my favorite fanfic ever, and among my favorite stories ever: [link]
Glamcookie - Jun 28, 2005 1:12:02 pm PDT #1288 of 10467
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Agree on the suckitude of the Angel/Spike/Buffy/Andrew storyline and the awesomeness of the Fred/Wes/Burkles storyline. That was really fun to type, what with all the slashes.
joe boucher - Jun 28, 2005 1:20:00 pm PDT #1289 of 10467
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine
That was really fun to type, what with all the slashes.
Fred, Wes, & the Burkles? Aww, gross! Oh... you mean actual slashes. That's alright, I guess.