Also, Burkles! The one pair of sane, loving, non-dead parents in the entire Jossverse!
The count of three isn't a plan. It's Sesame Street.
Buffy ,'First Date'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 28, 2005 11:03:59 am PDT #1284 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Strega - Jun 28, 2005 11:14:57 am PDT #1285 of 10458
Oh, I liked the Burkles. That's why I was so horrifed.
Connie Neil - Jun 28, 2005 11:27:00 am PDT #1286 of 10458
brillig
It was heartbreaking, storywise, but my biggest thrill was watching AA's acting, being cheerful, standard Fred one second then whipsawing into calculating Illyria.
Susan W. - Jun 28, 2005 11:28:34 am PDT #1287 of 10458
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
Mainly, though, it was that they took several possibilities with inherent, on-going conflict (Macqui vs. Federation on the same ship; re-humanized, de-hiveminded Borg) and did the least interesting things with them which resulted in draining all internal conflict (and, hence, the best potential for drama) from the show.
Wrod. Which is why IMO the real Voyager is the Talking Stick/Circle fanfiction cycle, which still reigns as my favorite fanfic ever, and among my favorite stories ever: [link]
Glamcookie - Jun 28, 2005 1:12:02 pm PDT #1288 of 10458
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Agree on the suckitude of the Angel/Spike/Buffy/Andrew storyline and the awesomeness of the Fred/Wes/Burkles storyline. That was really fun to type, what with all the slashes.
joe boucher - Jun 28, 2005 1:20:00 pm PDT #1289 of 10458
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine
That was really fun to type, what with all the slashes.
Fred, Wes, & the Burkles? Aww, gross! Oh... you mean actual slashes. That's alright, I guess.
Glamcookie - Jun 28, 2005 1:22:21 pm PDT #1290 of 10458
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Well, Fred isn't really Fred. Illyria could participate for sure no problem.
Jessica - Jun 28, 2005 1:47:23 pm PDT #1291 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Illyria could participate for sure no problem.
It might be a problem for the Burkles...
Strega - Jun 28, 2005 2:14:30 pm PDT #1292 of 10458
Hm. I was fine with the final scene between Illyria and Wesley, and I agree that Acker did a great job with all the shifts. If the Burkles hadn't been involved I could see it as a counterpoint to Spike & Angel's story, but since they were the only decent parents in the whole wide world, it seemed pointlessly callous.
And now I've been trying to say "Burkle Burkle Burkle." It's surprisingly difficult.
Gris - Jun 28, 2005 4:22:06 pm PDT #1293 of 10458
Hey. New board.
Oh, it's horrible TO the Burkles. They shouldn't cover up the heartlessness of not telling them about their daughter's death, but Angel's not there to take the moral high ground and let them know the truth.
Illyria's a demon. Wes is... well, end-of-season-five Wes was pretty scary, pretty crazy, not really the best person to expect good judgment from. His decision to go along with Illyria instead of exposing her had two purposes, I think: 1) he got to pretend, briefly, Fred was alive and 2) he got to research Illyria more. He didn't care about the Burkles.
But that didn't stop his pain from being amazing to watch, and analyze. Indeed, it makes it more interesting: Season 2 Wes would never, ever, ever have allowed the deception to continue. Also, AA's acting throughout was phenomenal, especially the transition scene. "Be blue," and the attempted... seduction? before it, is one of my favorite moments in all of season five, and probably in the entire series. So. Cool.