Assuming SMG were available.
Why? She wasn't in the ep.
Zoe: Don't think it's a good spot, sir. She still has the advantage over us. Mal: Everyone always does. That's what makes us special.
'Serenity'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Jessica - Jun 28, 2005 10:28:11 am PDT #1277 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
§ ita § - Jun 28, 2005 10:42:24 am PDT #1278 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
She wasn't in the ep.
Which, to me, was a contributor to the suckage.
Hell, just knowing it was the back of her head would have eased my eye-rolling.
A little.
Jessica - Jun 28, 2005 10:45:32 am PDT #1279 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Which, to me, was a contributor to the suckage.
Oh, I agree. But her presence isn't necessary just to move the ep up in the season.
Strega - Jun 28, 2005 10:54:38 am PDT #1280 of 10458
Since several people mentioned liking the TGiQ subplot with Illyria & Fred's parents... could someone elaborate on that? I know my feelings for the characters involved didn't make me terribly receptive to that story, but I'd like to at least understand what other people got from it, even if I can't feel it myself. For me, those scenes were far more unpleasant to watch than the Italian hijinks.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 28, 2005 10:56:45 am PDT #1281 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
There was the cool shock value, and getting to watch Wesley's pained response, and seeing the wheels turning in Illyria's mind as it started exploring opportunities to manipulate and influence people that didn't rely on overwhelming brute force.
§ ita § - Jun 28, 2005 11:00:09 am PDT #1282 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I thought that AD and AA knocked it out of the park, and it was just harrowing for me in general.
Polter-Cow - Jun 28, 2005 11:01:20 am PDT #1283 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
What Matt and ita said.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 28, 2005 11:03:59 am PDT #1284 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Also, Burkles! The one pair of sane, loving, non-dead parents in the entire Jossverse!
Strega - Jun 28, 2005 11:14:57 am PDT #1285 of 10458
Oh, I liked the Burkles. That's why I was so horrifed.
Connie Neil - Jun 28, 2005 11:27:00 am PDT #1286 of 10458
brillig
It was heartbreaking, storywise, but my biggest thrill was watching AA's acting, being cheerful, standard Fred one second then whipsawing into calculating Illyria.