Assuming SMG were available.
Why? She wasn't in the ep.
Book: Yes, I'd forgotten you're moonlighting as a criminal mastermind now. Got your next heist planned? Simon: No. But I'm thinking about growing a big black mustache. I'm a traditionalist.
'War Stories'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Jessica - Jun 28, 2005 10:28:11 am PDT #1277 of 10612
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
§ ita § - Jun 28, 2005 10:42:24 am PDT #1278 of 10612
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
She wasn't in the ep.
Which, to me, was a contributor to the suckage.
Hell, just knowing it was the back of her head would have eased my eye-rolling.
A little.
Jessica - Jun 28, 2005 10:45:32 am PDT #1279 of 10612
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Which, to me, was a contributor to the suckage.
Oh, I agree. But her presence isn't necessary just to move the ep up in the season.
Strega - Jun 28, 2005 10:54:38 am PDT #1280 of 10612
Since several people mentioned liking the TGiQ subplot with Illyria & Fred's parents... could someone elaborate on that? I know my feelings for the characters involved didn't make me terribly receptive to that story, but I'd like to at least understand what other people got from it, even if I can't feel it myself. For me, those scenes were far more unpleasant to watch than the Italian hijinks.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 28, 2005 10:56:45 am PDT #1281 of 10612
Oh honey, the mentally unwell people have been in the fanbase since Game Changers was Stucky fanfiction on the internet. The calls have been coming from inside the house the whole time!
There was the cool shock value, and getting to watch Wesley's pained response, and seeing the wheels turning in Illyria's mind as it started exploring opportunities to manipulate and influence people that didn't rely on overwhelming brute force.
§ ita § - Jun 28, 2005 11:00:09 am PDT #1282 of 10612
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I thought that AD and AA knocked it out of the park, and it was just harrowing for me in general.
Polter-Cow - Jun 28, 2005 11:01:20 am PDT #1283 of 10612
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
What Matt and ita said.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 28, 2005 11:03:59 am PDT #1284 of 10612
Oh honey, the mentally unwell people have been in the fanbase since Game Changers was Stucky fanfiction on the internet. The calls have been coming from inside the house the whole time!
Also, Burkles! The one pair of sane, loving, non-dead parents in the entire Jossverse!
Strega - Jun 28, 2005 11:14:57 am PDT #1285 of 10612
Oh, I liked the Burkles. That's why I was so horrifed.
Connie Neil - Jun 28, 2005 11:27:00 am PDT #1286 of 10612
brillig
It was heartbreaking, storywise, but my biggest thrill was watching AA's acting, being cheerful, standard Fred one second then whipsawing into calculating Illyria.