Well, it pooched his jacket.

I never got the vibe Joss fell in love with Spike, so much as a) JM was hella fun to write for, which led to b) the audience getting a little attached. And then we were catered to.

Well, he should have killed him off, for starters. Gah. I swear Spike ruined seasons 6 and 7 for me.

No, no -- the dance scene is in the middle.

I left after Buffy lifted the amulet from Wesley's jacket and gave it to Angel.

I thought that the dance scene is right before Buffy gives the amulet to Angel. Buffy and Faith clean out the vamp nest, then go dancing (to Chinese Burn, incidentally), hold hands on the dance floor, surrounded by cute boys. Then Buffy sees Angel, leaves the dance floor, walks up to him, and jumps up, wrapping her legs around him. Then, they talk, Wesley shows up and she takes the amulet from him and gives it to Angel.

Am I forgetting another dance scene?

No, that's right and it's in the middle. Just about the half past the hour mark.

Before that Buffy has fought three vamps, including one of the Eliminati, met Wesley, been sent to find the amulet, and ditched school in the middle of chemistry to kill a nest o'vamps with Faith.

No, that's right and it's in the middle. Just about the half past the hour mark.

oh, I see what you mean. I don't know why I think of it as the beginning of the episode. probably because that's when the wheels are set in motion for the denouement.

which led to b) the audience getting a little attached. And then we were catered to.

This is the besetting problem with ME: pandering to the fans came close to ruining both Buffy (with the Fonzification of Spike) and Angel (with the bloody flashbacks)

I think they were less pandering to the fans than writing to those actors who remained enthusisastic and prepared. Some actors burn out after playing the same character for a long time or personal reasons interfere and you have to write around them. There is very little time in TV to pull a good performance out of an actor on set or to edit around a spotty one, and writers and producers are leery of writing for actors who may not be able to play a big arc or a big scene.

If you're not going to pander to your fans, ie, the folks who love and watch the show, who are you going to pander to? The hyper-sophisticate theatre school types?

I think they were less pandering to the fans than writing to those actors who remained enthusisastic and prepared. Some actors burn out after playing the same character for a long time or personal reasons interfere and you have to write around them. There is very little time in TV to pull a good performance out of an actor on set or to edit around a spotty one, and writers and producers are leery of writing for actors who may not be able to play a big arc or a big scene.

Scrappy, as usual, is wise. But we knew that.

I am also very hard pressed to think of a series that lasted for more than a 3-4 years, and that had any reliance on a presumed continuity, that didn't eventually succomb to a round of "wouldn't it be cool if", or "this would be neat", or "we need to shake things up" that in turn sacrafices some of the continuity/integrity somehow. Can anybody think of one? And does that paragraph actually make any sense?

If you're not going to pander to your fans, ie, the folks who love and watch the show, who are you going to pander to? The hyper-sophisticate theatre school types?

I guess you could 1, not distinguish between sophisticated viewers and fans or 2, avoid pandering. Or both.