Zoe: Jayne. This is something the Captain has to do for himself. Mal: No! No, it's not!

'War Stories'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 19, 2021 7:51:37 pm PDT #10421 of 10457
What is even happening?

I feel like that's a writing prompt, Chris.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 17, 2022 3:58:33 pm PST #10422 of 10457
What is even happening?

So, Joss Whedon gave an interview to Lila Shapiro for Vulture. I am sure he thinks it is a brilliant PR move. Reader, it is not.

"The Undoing of Joss Whedon": [link] ; Archive link: [link]

The title has Spike saying, "You made a bear! Undo it! Undo it!" in a loop, in my brain. He continues to be gross about the young actresses he just *had* to sleep with.

I don't know if Shapiro knows what this is or not:

Whedon now has a term for the damage his childhood caused. He says he suffers from complex post-traumatic-stress disorder, a condition that can lead to relationship problems, self-destructive behavior, and addictions of various kinds. I asked if he would be willing to share his most traumatic memory with me. “I’m going to run to the loo,” he said. Later, he would let slip that someone had advised him to pretend he needed to pee if he felt uncomfortable with a question.

Returning to the couch, he affected a sort of Vincent Price voice. “And now,” Whedon said, “tales of horror and woe.”

...but I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that "slip" was an intentional attempt to disarm her.

I am also pretty sure if someone had given us the questions in advance, we would have been able to predict his answers for this interview to a stunning degree of accuracy (details aside). BTW (I forgot this, until I saw Tom Scola's post in Press, but) the article mentions Allyson, in discussion of the old PBP (Bronze Posting Board Party) and references her book.

The hubris of his final quote is astonishing. I'm just wondering why he thought this was a good time to do this.

Do you think he thought he could let it out there while the country is distracted by pandemic and the disassembly of democracy, or did he just need some attention again?


Kalshane - Jan 18, 2022 7:20:26 am PST #10423 of 10457
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

That article got more and more depressing the longer it went on. The lack of self awareness or sense of remorse is just sad.


Dana - Jan 18, 2022 7:24:14 am PST #10424 of 10457
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

But he's been to therapy, but it's all okay!


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 18, 2022 7:46:15 am PST #10425 of 10457
"You should never say bad things about the dead, only good… Joan Crawford is dead. Good.” —Bette Davis

I'm told therapy isn't effective for narcissistic personality disorder, which I'm more and more thinking Joss has. Ugh.

Oh well, we'll always have Buffy regardless of how much an ass he shows himself to be. (And it's not as if there weren't hints back when it was airing.)


-t - Jan 18, 2022 4:02:33 pm PST #10426 of 10457
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I can’t help but think that crack he made about “I don’t have anything else to do, might as well work on myself” is extremely accurate


Topic!Cindy - Jan 19, 2022 7:41:12 pm PST #10427 of 10457
What is even happening?

Well, he's got plenty of work to do, but I think that interview shows he's not up for the job. A friend and I were talking, and we kind of think Joss is a narcissist and a sociopath.

The "bad actor" b.s. he spewed about Ray Fisher was downright Trumpian. Then there was the appalling story about sending the 22-year-old freelancer he was bedding off for drinks with a "friend" who ended up being his girlfriend, not to mention breaking up with Arden Leigh, the night before her birthday, even though she'd previously told him a birthday breakup was among her most painful memories.

I mean, did he collect stories in advance, so he wouldn't have to come up with humiliations all on his own?


-t - Jan 20, 2022 7:23:10 am PST #10428 of 10457
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

What I was trying to express but not using enough words to really do so, I think, is that he’s not actually doing the work. If he is an addict he isn’t in recovery.


-t - Jan 20, 2022 7:52:03 am PST #10429 of 10457
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

This was really clear to me last night as I was falling asleep but harder to pin down this morning, but the thing I keep coming back to is how very banal his evil is, how much like every other guy like that he has turned out to be, practically a cliche. Not even an interesting villain.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 20, 2022 12:23:39 pm PST #10430 of 10457
What is even happening?

What I was trying to express but not using enough words to really do so, I think, is that he’s not actually doing the work. If he is an addict he isn’t in recovery.

That was how I read you, -t. I'm sorry my response reads like it wasn't. I should have used a "Yup" and an "and," rather than a "Well," and a "but."

the thing I keep coming back to is how very banal his evil is, how much like every other guy like that he has turned out to be, practically a cliche. Not even an interesting villain.

It is so banal. His villainy is of the season 6 variety.