Lorne: Once the word spreads you beat up an innocent old man, well, the truly terrible will think twice before going toe-to-toe with our Avenging Angel. Spike: Yes. The geriatric community will be soiling their nappies when they hear you're on the case. Bravo.

'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Kalshane - Jan 18, 2022 7:20:26 am PST #10423 of 10457
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

That article got more and more depressing the longer it went on. The lack of self awareness or sense of remorse is just sad.


Dana - Jan 18, 2022 7:24:14 am PST #10424 of 10457
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

But he's been to therapy, but it's all okay!


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 18, 2022 7:46:15 am PST #10425 of 10457
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm told therapy isn't effective for narcissistic personality disorder, which I'm more and more thinking Joss has. Ugh.

Oh well, we'll always have Buffy regardless of how much an ass he shows himself to be. (And it's not as if there weren't hints back when it was airing.)


-t - Jan 18, 2022 4:02:33 pm PST #10426 of 10457
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I can’t help but think that crack he made about “I don’t have anything else to do, might as well work on myself” is extremely accurate


Topic!Cindy - Jan 19, 2022 7:41:12 pm PST #10427 of 10457
What is even happening?

Well, he's got plenty of work to do, but I think that interview shows he's not up for the job. A friend and I were talking, and we kind of think Joss is a narcissist and a sociopath.

The "bad actor" b.s. he spewed about Ray Fisher was downright Trumpian. Then there was the appalling story about sending the 22-year-old freelancer he was bedding off for drinks with a "friend" who ended up being his girlfriend, not to mention breaking up with Arden Leigh, the night before her birthday, even though she'd previously told him a birthday breakup was among her most painful memories.

I mean, did he collect stories in advance, so he wouldn't have to come up with humiliations all on his own?


-t - Jan 20, 2022 7:23:10 am PST #10428 of 10457
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

What I was trying to express but not using enough words to really do so, I think, is that he’s not actually doing the work. If he is an addict he isn’t in recovery.


-t - Jan 20, 2022 7:52:03 am PST #10429 of 10457
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

This was really clear to me last night as I was falling asleep but harder to pin down this morning, but the thing I keep coming back to is how very banal his evil is, how much like every other guy like that he has turned out to be, practically a cliche. Not even an interesting villain.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 20, 2022 12:23:39 pm PST #10430 of 10457
What is even happening?

What I was trying to express but not using enough words to really do so, I think, is that he’s not actually doing the work. If he is an addict he isn’t in recovery.

That was how I read you, -t. I'm sorry my response reads like it wasn't. I should have used a "Yup" and an "and," rather than a "Well," and a "but."

the thing I keep coming back to is how very banal his evil is, how much like every other guy like that he has turned out to be, practically a cliche. Not even an interesting villain.

It is so banal. His villainy is of the season 6 variety.


Steph L. - Jan 20, 2022 1:13:29 pm PST #10431 of 10457
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

His villainy is of the season 6 variety.

He's no Mayor Wilkins, that's for sure.


Vortex - Feb 05, 2022 7:36:26 pm PST #10432 of 10457
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Does anyone else miss Mayor Wilkins - I just want to be a big snake.