Not surprising, but so upsetting.
Don't kill anyone if you don't have to. We're here to make a deal.
Mal ,'Serenity'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
JZ - Feb 10, 2021 10:46:21 am PST #10364 of 10457
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Laura - Feb 10, 2021 11:06:32 am PST #10365 of 10457
Our wings are not tired.
It is heartbreaking. It is so difficult to come forward and expose yourself by sharing your personal trauma that way. Virtual hugs to Charisma and all those hurt this way.
Sophia Brooks - Feb 10, 2021 1:40:04 pm PST #10366 of 10457
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
I actually teared up. I am in support of Charisma and AMber, and also SMG who got so much backlash for not attending fan and JW events.
Dana - Feb 10, 2021 1:40:40 pm PST #10367 of 10457
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Michelle Trachtenberg and Clare Kramer have also posted briefly in support, and SMG's statement was not explicit, but made it clear she's not on Joss' side. If you can even look at these kinds of situations as having two sides.
Edited for link: [link]
brenda m - Feb 10, 2021 2:40:33 pm PST #10368 of 10457
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I remember back at the time hearing about SMG getting some fan flack for not being chummier on set and just going home at the end of the day. And boy does that look different now.
Topic!Cindy - Feb 10, 2021 2:54:10 pm PST #10369 of 10457
What is even happening?
Michelle Trachtenberg's statements (in addition to what Dana posted), makes me sick.
Deadline: [link]
Screenshot of MT's Instagram statement (it's to the right of SMG's in the screenshot, which you can click to expand): [link]
More screenshots of MT, via my Twitter friend (I don't truck with Insta): [link]
JZ - Feb 10, 2021 3:10:08 pm PST #10370 of 10457
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Nothing from any of the men yet. Not one word, from not one of them.
Topic!Cindy - Feb 10, 2021 3:15:07 pm PST #10371 of 10457
What is even happening?
Nope. Like, I'd like to see Jane and Marti speak out (Marti did eventually say something about Matt Weiner, when his #MeToo story was out there, so she may well), but I'm sick of people asking women about men who were bad to women. Let's hear from the other men.
Sophia Brooks - Feb 10, 2021 7:07:46 pm PST #10372 of 10457
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
Brenda, back in the day I was a real SMG defender for that- you don’t owe your director or the fans anything but a good job being Buffy. It really got up my nose. Now , again, such a different light.
I would love to hear words of support from the men, even if it is “I didn’t see it at the time , but I support my fellow actors”.
Self reflectively, this brings out separating art from the artist. It is pretty easy for me to just not watch Woody Allen movies, because I actually just don’t like Woody Allen movies. But Buffy is still important to me- Buffy herself and the show and the community we have created around it through all these years. Honestly, I think we take our cue from SMG who says she is still proud of being Buffy. And when I think with somewhat shame that I sent him a baby sweater for his first baby, I also think that the baby still exists, and I am not ashamed of sending a sweater to that baby, and his ex still exists, and we took great care on matching her aesthetic when we did it.
smonster - Feb 10, 2021 7:17:41 pm PST #10373 of 10457
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Of all the dudes, AFAIK, only Clem has spoken in support. [link]