What she doesn't realize is that Adama, who has a first and a last name, and is in the opening credits, will nearly always be given a third choice. She, being a character with no first name and destined to die after only three episodes, has far more limited options.

She was probably thinking, "Well, that other Cain on that other Battlestar Galactia TV show probably survived...."

Everybody.

Everybody != every one of us

There's no reason at all to assume that her "us" includes all of humanity. She's talking to Kara about military decisions in a time of war, which severely limits the pool of people said decisions are allowed to be made by.

What Jessica said. It's not two speeches in two places by two different people. I'm not sure why you're forcing a reset just because it's a different sentence.

What's wrong with the assumption that she's talking about hard, binary (to her) choices made by people in power for the whole speech?

My parsing of her rhetoric does not assume that one implies the other, but that one sets the stage for the other.

"What do you i mean I'm not Captain Kirk??"

There's no reason at all to assume that her "us" includes all of humanity.

I'll concede that. But even so -- everybody in a position to lead faces a cake/death situation? That's a pretty drastic exaggeration, and the exaggeration is what makes the fallacy. Even in wartime, there are more than two possible outcomes for the vast majority of decisions to be made. Sometimes leaders do face cake/death situations (although, I'll continue to state, it's a pretty bad sign of leadership, if the leader is backed into such a corner), but much more often it's cake, or chocolate, or pickled pork knuckles, or lamb roast, or death.

Slight change of pace: a very fun Aliens Made Us Have a Threesome. SG-1, Jack/Sam/Daniel, very much NSFW. [link]

Betsy, I seem to remember that, but I am talking about the S10 plot points/spoilers being a bit ahead of the curve.

I mean, the spoilers could be legit, but they could be false for the actual storylines, not for the events that you mentioned that affect S9.

All I'm saying is those specific storylines for S10 are the thing I'm wondering about.

Does she have some particular horrible thing that she expects Kara to have to do in mind, though?

Yes, she's going to have to decide whether or not to support Cain. Again, the lead-in to that speech is Cain confirming that Starbuck & Adama are close (and that Starbuck does not get along with Tigh, for that matter). For Cain, the meaning is "Sometimes we have to do awful things. F'rinstance, I intend to execute two of your friends, and because he's getting in the way of that, I'm going to have your father-figure killed in a couple of hours. Don't let your personal feelings keep you from seeing that I'm doing What Must Be Done."

FWIW, Daniel, Gateworld is normally extremely reliable when it comes to spoilers. Chances are high that plot description came straight from the Stargate PTB.

Well, hopefully they notice fan reaction to the spoilers...

Would it be better to buy six seasons of HL individually for $30 each? Or this?

And would anybody like to buy six seasons of commercial VHS tapes? Anybody? Sigh.

I thought Cain was attempting to play on the mentor/role model she knew Kara saw her as in that scene, bidding for Kara's loyalty. Because she knew Kara would react to Adama's upcoming death, and she wanted her to come down on her side. It was a bid for understanding of the why things need to be done. And also, a setup for the occasion when Cain would have to ask a very difficult duty of Kara.

I didn't see it as a bid for assisted suicide at all.

I didn't see Lee's inertia as a bid for suicide either. I thought he'd just shut down, and wasn't making any attempt to save himself. Decision by default.

Six is Baltar's memory of the Cylon spy he fell in love with--Gina is the physical presence who began her life as a model Six, but was tortured by the Pegasus crew when she was discovered to be a Cylon. I think of them as two separate entities--moreso than Caprica!Boomer and Galactica!Boomer, actually.

And apparently I'm not very much emotionally invested in the SGs, because I just bob placidly along in the current of the storyllines, enjoy the pretty, and am not too exercised about where the plots are going. As long as there's pretty, I'm good.