Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


Boxed Set, Vol. II: "It's a Cookbook...A Cookbook!!"  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Betsy HP - Jan 16, 2006 2:07:42 pm PST #6595 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Okay, my theory goes "splat", I think. Ah, well.


Consuela - Jan 16, 2006 2:11:39 pm PST #6596 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Brain-meltingly hot Cameron/Teal'c (no spoilers): [link]


Stephanie - Jan 17, 2006 4:41:10 am PST #6597 of 10001
Trust my rage

I thought Cain was attempting to play on the mentor/role model she knew Kara saw her as in that scene, bidding for Kara's loyalty. Because she knew Kara would react to Adama's upcoming death, and she wanted her to come down on her side.

Now that I read what Beverly said, I think she is exactly right. The speech makes perfect sense in that context.


sumi - Jan 17, 2006 5:21:22 am PST #6598 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Of course, I happen to think that Kara would mind the deaths of LOTS of the people who would be in the CIC just after an attack. Not just Adama but other comrades and friends.

Wasn't there a plan to kill Apollo too? I mean, wouldn't it make sense? How much of that would Kara see as necessary? And what would make her start to work against Cain?

I think that Cain not fighting back was a better sign of suicidal tendencies. (I mean, surely she has a marine guard or two right around the corner? Wouldn't any shots fired have brought them running?)


sumi - Jan 17, 2006 5:24:14 am PST #6599 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Oh, and I forgot my question (which I also asked over at WX.)

Does the XO of the Pegasus automatically become the Commander? Would Adama as the new Admiral have to confirm the commission? Would his XO become a Commander?


tommyrot - Jan 17, 2006 5:33:16 am PST #6600 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Does the XO of the Pegasus automatically become the Commander?

He would have command, (but not the rank of Commander) until the higher-ups either promoted him or found someone else to be Commander.

Would Adama as the new Admiral have to confirm the commission?

I think so.

Would his XO become a Commander?

Dunno.

It's possible for someone to have command of a fleet (and not necessarily be an Admiral) and also have command of a specific ship. The US Navy learned in WWII that the workload of having both responsibilities during battle was often too much, so I don't know if they do that anymore.

A couple years ago I toured the USS Hornet (a WWII-era carrier - Moore has talked about touring this ship as well). Carriers have a separate "bridge" where flight operations, moving aircraft about, etc. are directed. The main bridge where the ship is conned would be above that. And there's a separate admiral's bridge (only used when the ship is also the flagship) that (I think) is above the main bridge.


DCJensen - Jan 17, 2006 5:43:56 am PST #6601 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

It's possible for someone to have command of a fleet (and not necessarily be an Admiral) and also have command of a specific ship.

In Star Trek, Admiral Kirk had command...until demoted, whereupon he still had command. Of course, any bearing this might have on BSG, or reality, is murky at best.


tommyrot - Jan 17, 2006 5:50:01 am PST #6602 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

There was some episode of ST TOS where an admiral was on board. Kirk still had command of the ship itself, although he had to answer to the admiral. Then at some point the admiral releaved Kirk of command and took direct command himself.

I think. Perhaps I am conflating two episodes. There was also "The Doomsday Device" where an admiral releaved Spock of command while Kirk was on another ship.


Nutty - Jan 17, 2006 5:58:05 am PST #6603 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Carriers have a separate "bridge" where flight operations, moving aircraft about, etc. are directed. The main bridge where the ship is conned would be above that. And there's a separate admiral's bridge (only used when the ship is also the flagship) that (I think) is above the main bridge.

The idea of this is also that, if one of these commands blows up, at least the others aren't necessarily blown up too. Not that you can run a ship from a drawing-room, but at least while trying to take out the steering wheel the enemy doesn't also take out the admiral. What the admiral does after losing his steering wheel -- different issue.

In the real US Navy, Commander is a rank, but also a title. It's confusing.


tommyrot - Jan 17, 2006 6:09:13 am PST #6604 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Large warships also have more than one place where the ship can be conned. Usually one is from damage control (deep inside the ship) and another is from the steering room (where the rudders are controlled). Control has to be transferred from one place to another.

During a Japanese air attack on a US fleet, a bomb hit the battleship South Dakota. The damage was slight, but there was confusion and someone transferred the conn from the bridge to damage control. Something went wrong, and the ship had no one controlling the helm for about a minute (while it was in a turn). So the carrier Enterprise, while fighting off the Japanese air attack, had to also make emergency maneuvers to avoid colliding with the South Dakota.

I'm such a Navy geek, huh?

edit to fix battleship name

eta²: Part of the confusion on the South Dakota might have been the result of the captain getting hit in the neck by a piece of bomb shrapnel, causing him to almost bleed to death.