After Enterprise, I think the Vulcans have suffered enough.
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Dana - Dec 02, 2005 6:28:08 am PST #5528 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
tommyrot - Dec 02, 2005 6:28:22 am PST #5529 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
I wonder which species caused the fall, in the Trek world? Vulcans?
Pon Farr got out of hand?
§ ita § - Dec 02, 2005 6:29:27 am PST #5530 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Pon Farr got out of hand?
Actually, it was a very not-out-of-hand thing. Cold, calculated, extensive betrayal.
Maybe if somehow they'd come to trust the Romulans...
Kalshane - Dec 02, 2005 6:43:30 am PST #5531 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
That actually would have been an interesting premise for a Trek show. At least then you wouldn't have had the Enterprise problem of (in addition to sucking most of the time) destroying continuity.
The Romulan idea is a good one, and could lead off from the Reunification plotline from the Next Gen universe. Maybe Reunification finally happens, and the Romulans slowly bring the Vulcans around to a point of view that results in the fall of the Federation.
ETA: I'm wondering why they didn't go that route. I know that a lot of the reason Trek has been lacking in new ideas the last decade is because Paramount wants to do everything through Brannon and Braga, rather than having to pony up the bucks to pay someone else for their ideas. I'm not sure of the exact logistics, but it's one of the reasons there's no possibility of Peter David's New Frontier books being made into a series, because then they'd have to pay him big bucks for creating it, or some such.
DXMachina - Dec 02, 2005 6:51:45 am PST #5532 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Maybe if somehow they'd come to trust the Romulans...
The way they did the Klingons?
§ ita § - Dec 02, 2005 6:52:43 am PST #5533 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The way they did the Klingons?
I'm missing something. I'm not sure where you're going with that.
DXMachina - Dec 02, 2005 8:03:07 am PST #5534 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
The Federation (at least in TNG and DS9) already trusts the Klingons, so you wouldn't even need to get the Romulans involved.
§ ita § - Dec 02, 2005 8:05:34 am PST #5535 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can't see the Klingons pulling off what the Nietzscheans did, though -- despite the headstrong nature of the Nietzscheans, they have a clear unified purpose. That's why I thought more of Romulans or Vulcans--more capable of long term planning, etc.
With the Federation as we left it, I prefer the Vulcan odds at taking it down.
sumi - Dec 02, 2005 9:59:56 am PST #5536 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
From SyFi Portal:
The BBC has confirmed that "The Christmas Invasion" will be shown in Britain on BBC1 on Christmas Day at 7 pm GMT. The CBC will broadcast it in Canada on Boxing Day at 8 p.m. A new series of "Doctor Who" featuring Tennant and Piper will be shown in the UK in 2006.
(Boldface is mine.)
Michele T. - Dec 02, 2005 10:19:43 am PST #5537 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Coming in late:
I sort of consider him a minor-league Gene Hackman -- not quite elevating everything he's in to good, but in a lot of things, a lot of which are good.
Thanks to MST3K, I am unable to see Gene Hackman in a movie without wanting to do a little golf clap and say, "oh, he's good in EVERYTHING!"