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'Beneath You'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


juliana - Mar 21, 2005 8:49:59 am PST #9121 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I'd expect the movie actors to be better at gesture, because they have to know how not to mask the camera sightlines.

It's easier to stay out of the way than it is to use your entire body to convey something. Since the camera is so good at capturing everything that plays across your face and body, you don't have to learn the precise control it takes to display an emotion that can be read from the third balcony and still look good to the people in the orchestra.

If that makes sense. I'm not sure I'm explaining it well. I should probably just let Robin explain.


Jesse - Mar 21, 2005 8:51:19 am PST #9122 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And movie actors can always re-do stuff.


Aims - Mar 21, 2005 8:53:43 am PST #9123 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Or, they fix it in post.


ChiKat - Mar 21, 2005 8:54:32 am PST #9124 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

It's a matter of knowing exactly where each part of your body is at all times

On stage, your entire body is (generally) seen by the audience at all times. You have to be overly conscious that any single movement you make relates something to the audience, whether you want it to or not. So, you have to make sure all your movements are with purpose and don't say something you don't want said.


juliana - Mar 21, 2005 8:55:37 am PST #9125 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

So, you have to make sure all your movements are with purpose and don't say something you don't want said.

Or doesn't draw focus, since there are no tight shots on stage.


Sean K - Mar 21, 2005 8:56:16 am PST #9126 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Well, for screen, most of your expressions are going to be in a closeup on your face. For stage actors, no one can see them all that well, and some people don't get to see much more than stick figures, so their experessions have to be done with their entire bodies.


§ ita § - Mar 21, 2005 8:57:24 am PST #9127 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Verbal instructions simply don't translate to body stuff

Don't forget I'm talking about situations in which I've already moved your body into the desired position. From then on, can't you tell that when I say "pivot" I mean "recreate that kinaesthetic feeling"?

I need to be clear -- I'm not talking about standing up and telling people to do things. I'm demonstrating, pointing at my own body, and putting their bodies in position.

I don't know, other than verbal, visual, and kinaesthetic, how to communicate a desired position. If there are other ways -- please to explain.

I wonder if, when you talk about your former ring blackouts, you had the same problem and got past it unconsciously

I think it was an adrenaline/endorphin thing. It would also happen if I hit someone by mistake (struggling for a bowl, say, that cracks in half and cuts the other person -- no clear memory of the second it took for crack and cut).

I learn best by mimicking while the instructor's both talking and doing (this drives some of the teachers insane, but fuck 'em). Then I can lock together look, words, and feel, and try and reproduce on demand.

As a teacher, I also have to take my feel and make it into words, which is fun, especially when I have to take out a teensy bit of a motion and get the right visual/metaphor for it. Some people click when you say "wrecking ball" or "putting out a cigarette." Others look at you moo-cowishly.


Jesse - Mar 21, 2005 8:57:35 am PST #9128 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I was watching a woman I know in a Noel Coward play yesterday, and she kept ending up having to keep her face in these really exaggerated reaction poses for way too long. It was kind of funny, but I wasn't sure if it was funny on purpose. I mean, the reaction was, clearly, but holding it for a long time while other stuff happened, nsm.


Betsy HP - Mar 21, 2005 8:59:02 am PST #9129 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Since the camera is so good at capturing everything that plays across your face and body, you don't have to learn the precise control it takes to display an emotion that can be read from the third balcony and still look good to the people in the orchestra.

I don't want to act, but my God, would I love to do this training.


ChiKat - Mar 21, 2005 9:00:05 am PST #9130 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Or doesn't draw focus,

Absolutely. And, if you're working with a poopiehead actor who does this on purpose, hopefully your director will help with that.