So, in your view, sperm bank donors are responsible for their progeny as well?

I'm definitely not in agreement with Cindy's view. But, DX, I'm in the camp that they are not responsible (fiscally at the very least) for their progeny. The person who procures the sperm is responsible in my view.

My shuffle is here. I realize that my gym mix still has another ~80 songs to go to fill up the shuffle.

But, DX, I'm in the camp that they are not responsible (fiscally at the very least) for their progeny.

I think that's DX's camp too -- that just because you know whose sperm it was, it doesn't mean there's any mandatory responsibility on the dude's part.

I figured it was DX's camp. I was just thinking about that and thought I'd chime in with agreement.

Thompson Shot Himself While on Phone WITH HIS WIFE.

tommyrot, I get the Condi thrall. I find Angelus sexy. Also evil Spike.

So, in your view, sperm bank donors are responsible for their progeny as well?

That isn't the same issue though, is it? Haven't sperm donors already made sure to free themselves of all parental responsibilities before they make their deposit?

He wasn't taking that risk at all -- his activities were such that, no matter what sort of contraceptive was used or not used, there should have been a 0% risk of pregnancy. Not a tiny risk, but no risk at all, whatsoever, in any way.

That the risk didn't occur to or seem likely to him doesn't mean he took no risk.

If I was asleep in bed, in my own locked house, wearing a chastity belt, and someone broke in, drugged me, picked the chastity belt lock and and raped me and conception occured, *my* activities would be such that there *should* have been a 0% risk of pregnancy. And yet, I can be impregnated against my will. It is known that sperm can be used after the fact, to impregnate--otherwise we wouldn't have sperm banks. Furthermore, I would bear some measure of responsibility for a child born as a result of a conception in which I had no complicity. Why does "should have" work for him, but not for me?

Why shouldn't someone be more careful with discharging and disposing a substance known to cause conception? If you leave a chain saw on your front lawn and someone comes along and cuts his finger off with it, you have some legal responsibility. If you throw away a gun registered to you, in a park waste basket, and DX comes along, finds it, and shoots me with it, you bear some responsibility for improper disposal of your gun, more so, if it was loaded. If this man didn't properly dispose of a substance that has consequences, he's free from those consequences?

Again, I am not saying that anyone who did what he alleges she did is in the clear or right. I am saying the child shouldn't lose rights because of the mother's alleged actions. I think the biological dad should get to sue for damages. Maybe he'll be able to prove his allegations. Maybe he will and should receive damages in excess of whatever he will have to pay for child support. I am not questioning any of that.

Whether or not he was wronged should not be a reason to deprive the child of a child's rights. Whether or not he was wronged should be a deciding factor in deciding whether or not he is entitled to damages, and to the extent of those damages.

Christ, my iPod is playing me Jungle Fever. Why do I do it to myself? It's insanely catchy. I can't even sit still.

I was just thinking about that and thought I'd chime in with agreement.

Oh. Well, yes. Me three. Stealing something should obviate the owner of the responsibility of what you do with it, as should buying it, naturally.

I read/saw somewhere that women try to be pleasant and liked in the workplace, sometimes to the detriment of being effective. I'm realising that if I'm not liked, people will run from me, so I have to keep it up. I swear my projects aren't that hard. They just unspool every now and again.

Okay, I may have a mover. This is all a bit sudden.

If you leave a chain saw on your front lawn and someone comes along and cuts his finger off with it, you have some legal responsibility.

If someone steals it (deceptively collects, if you get my drift) do you still have the same responsibility? Where do you draw the due diligence line, and do you know enough about what happened to say he didn't exercise it?

Yeah, extracting DNA from other cells will make your POV a bitch.

Thompson Shot Himself While on Phone WITH HIS WIFE.

I'm actually somewhat more appalled that his six-year-old grandson was in the house. Dude, send the kid out for ice cream or something, will you?

I get to go home now.

I shall guard my sperm carefully, unless I run into Condi.

I shall guard my sperm carefully, unless I run into Condi.

NOT UNLESS! ESPECIALLY IF!