Mal: Well said. Wasn't that well said, Zoe? Zoe: Had a kind poetry to it, sir.

'Out Of Gas'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


sarameg - Dec 05, 2007 3:34:39 pm PST #9572 of 10001

Yay!


sumi - Dec 05, 2007 7:27:20 pm PST #9573 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Congratulations, jilli!!


Anne W. - Dec 06, 2007 1:53:05 am PST #9574 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Congratulations, Jilli!


Susan W. - Dec 06, 2007 8:10:13 am PST #9575 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Question for the writing hivemind:

The manuscript I'm working is meant to be first in a series, so one of the new-to-me issues I'm dealing with is striking the right balance between making each volume reasonably self-contained and still having an overarching plot and theme for the series as a whole.

The first volume is all about a little group of people coming together and deciding to fight back after a severe military setback. In the second volume, the group gets a little larger and better organized, but it's the same basic idea--they're scrappy resistance fighters trying to harass a much larger enemy force until help gets there. And they're confident that help is on the way, because there's a whole large army out there that's on their side. It's just that the army in question is at such a distance (and in a relatively low-tech world with no mechanized transport or immediate communication) that it may be a year or so before they get there.

Anyway, the army tries to come to the rescue, only to be utterly annihilated in an ambush--very few survivors, most of them imprisoned under harsh conditions or sold into slavery, etc. One officer escapes and sets out on an odyssey to get back to Our Heroes and let them know what happened.

So, I have two dilemmas: When should the reader find out about the massacre of the army, and when should the characters find out?

My initial thought for the first question was to have it be the prologue of Book Two. But now I'm wondering if it'd be better as the epilogue of Book One, since I'm only a third of the way into the story and already my characters are reassuring each other that all they have to do is hang on till the cavalry (and infantry and artillery) arrive. So I'm afraid my readers will think I've set up an easy solution, and therefore I need to let them know that there is no cavalry sooner rather than later. OTOH, kind of a downer to directly follow up Our Heroes' unlikely triumph in the battle at the end of Book One with the Gory Depressing Massacre Scene of Hopelessness. Thoughts?

On the question of when my characters find out they're on their own, I know it's going to be toward the end of Book Two. I just can't decide if it's before or after that book's Climactic Unlikely Battlefield Triumph. Before would give me a really bleak black moment before Our Heroes decide to keep fighting anyway, but after would have some dramatic potential, too, because Our Heroes could then end the book wondering if they're fighting for a hopeless cause and so on. Thoughts on that one?


Miracleman - Dec 06, 2007 10:20:15 am PST #9576 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Hm. My tendency would be to start Book Two with a scene of Big Ol' Army of Save the Day-ness walking through Ambush Land and then there's a shot, a shout, some shit...but we don't know they's all corpsified yet. Leave the reader hanging.

Then, later on, Officer of Gloomy Messageosity can show up and be all "Hey, yeah, you know that big ol' Army of Save the Day-ness? Funny story..."


Susan W. - Dec 06, 2007 10:51:13 am PST #9577 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Ooh, I like, though it would cut into my plans to occasionally switch to Major Gloom's POV as he makes his way over mountain, desert, and ocean to bring his message of doom.

I also need to decide if it's too much of a coincidence for Major Gloom to be the cousin of one of my other main characters. It's tidy, and gives them family when the rest of their relatives are A) dead or B) traitors. OTOH, why would the one person who makes it back from the ginormous army just happen to be related to one of Our Heroes.


Miracleman - Dec 06, 2007 10:54:13 am PST #9578 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

I would tend to not make them related. Or to make them totally "No WAY! You know so and so? Where are you from? Did they show up at the last reunion picnic? No? Man. I can't believe we're related!"

ETA: I suppose you could keep the Major Gloom's trek to Mordor, if you're clever and don't relate why he's alone or what message he bears. Maybe even be so vague so as the reader doesn't even know he comes from the Former Army of Save the Day-ness...just, every now and again the reader can go "Who is this intriguing fellow starving to death in a mountain pass? Hmmm..."


§ ita § - Dec 06, 2007 10:58:48 am PST #9579 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jilli, I don't know if I've said congrats, but I've surely meant it.

Susan, how about ending book 1 on the big-assed-army cliffhanger?


Susan W. - Dec 06, 2007 12:21:50 pm PST #9580 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Susan, how about ending book 1 on the big-assed-army cliffhanger?

I'm considering it. I just can't decide whether that'll hook readers by making them wonder when Our Heroes will find out or just make them mad at me by ending on a cliffhanger. Of course, the two are not mutually exclusive. The fact that I've been shaking my fist toward the other end of the country and saying "DAMN you, Naomi Novik!" for the past several months doesn't mean I'm not awaiting the next Temeraire novel with bated breath.

I would tend to not make them related. Or to make them totally "No WAY! You know so and so? Where are you from? Did they show up at the last reunion picnic? No? Man. I can't believe we're related!"

You're probably right--it's just that it occurred to me that it would add to Major Gloom's misery to finally deliver his message only to discover that his parents committed treason in his absence, which might make Our Heroes doubt the truth of his message, and would leave him with the only member of his family that he still likes and trusts his supposedly flighty 18-year-old girl cousin.


Laga - Dec 06, 2007 12:31:10 pm PST #9581 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

mad at me by ending on a cliffhanger.

I might be mad but I think you could end the second-to-last chapter with the army in peril and then have a solid conclusion with the heroes in the last chapter, so it felt final but left you wanting more.