Gunn: Well, how horrible is this thing? Lorne: I haven't read the Book of Revelations lately, but if I was searching for adjectives, I'd probably start there.

'Hell Bound'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Anne W. - May 31, 2005 9:12:55 am PDT #2405 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Did they give you any feedback along with the rejection, or was it simply a "thanks but no thanks" deal?


Allyson - May 31, 2005 9:19:33 am PDT #2406 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Thank you for submitting your query. You have a terrific idea, and clearly some great, funny stories to tell. It’s clear that you’ve had a bird’s eye view of some interesting events and experiences, which make for amusing anecdotes. However, I think the real audience for this type of book is still going to be people who are themselves involved in some type of fandom, and from that point of view I found the overall tone of these essays to be a little bit angry toward segments of that population. It also takes away from any broader social commentary you might make that would attract non-fandom readers. While these are obviously individual essays, you might consider looking at them as a cohesive whole and determine what overall theme or message you’d like to put across.

I think fandom as a cultural phenomenon is only going to continue to grow, and you could have a good sized market for a book like this. I wish you all the best finding a home for this project, and with your future writing.

It's good advice, and I think kind of her to take the time to give it.


§ ita § - May 31, 2005 9:31:47 am PDT #2407 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Given the obvious (we don't want no rejection) that's a very good letter.

Are you going to re-assess and perhaps re-plan based on that feedback?


Allyson - May 31, 2005 9:37:16 am PDT #2408 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yes, I think they're good points. I do think maybe my snark comes off as anger, but I can't do much to change my tone. I think I've done a mostly good job of describing things with love and respect, but obviously that hasn't come across as clearly as I thought.

I thought my title essay was an excellent defense of fandom, and how much love I have for them.

I didn't send it out for beta, and maybe I should.


Lilty Cash - May 31, 2005 9:44:22 am PDT #2409 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

I didn't send it out for beta, and maybe I should

If you ever decide need a fresh pair of eyes, my profile addy's good. I'd be glad to look.


deborah grabien - May 31, 2005 9:59:02 am PDT #2410 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

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Allyson, that's a superb letter. Dayum.

She likes the idea, she thinks the market is going to grow, she offers both general and specific suggestions for what's needed to make it work.

I mean yes, "I adore this and have nine editors who will have a bidding war over it" is always preferable, but if there was nothing there? You would have got a formulaic "Thank you for submitting, we do not feel we are a good match at this time" letter.

And there's that universal theme thing, again. Yep.


Amy - May 31, 2005 10:02:36 am PDT #2411 of 10001
Because books.

Allyson, that's a great, very personal letter to get, rejection or no. Having sent off lots and lots of the often-Xeroxed form letters (just like the ones Deb mentioned), getting a letter with that much detail and thought means she was impressed.

Just keep going. First time is very rarely a charm.


Gris - May 31, 2005 10:03:25 am PDT #2412 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Yeah, that letter is really nice. I think if I got that rejection letter, I'd feel... well, a lot happier than I could've, anyway.


Allyson - May 31, 2005 10:10:40 am PDT #2413 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm confident that the writing itself must be good, or else I'd have received the form letter I'm sure.

I'm unsure how to change the tone, or if I even want to, as I like my tone a lot. I was sure that there were as many love letters to fandom as not, and I think I need to find someone who has no experience within fandom to take a read.

I just don't know anyone outside of fandom.

And I'm not sure what my universal theme is, other than fandom is not unlike any other family, and I both love them and want to strangle them.


deborah grabien - May 31, 2005 10:18:38 am PDT #2414 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

fandom is not unlike any other family, and I both love them and want to strangle them

That's your theme. On the reread of that letter, I'd say you need an essay or three that joins the others as part of that particular theme.

Family family family. Also, a bit of emphasis on the fact that you not only get furious with them, you also love them, would probably do a huge balancing act on what she perceived as the anger of the tone.

edit: offering blanket apologies for bad typing today. The multiple sclerosis is doing some spooky stuff to my eyes today and things are very blurry, with or without glasses.