Reavers ain't men. Or they forgot how to be. Now they're just nothing. They got out to the edge of the galaxy, to that place of nothing, and that's what they became.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2005 7:59:49 am PDT #1681 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Susan, it isn't witing backward; you just need a specific thing from the work you give out for beta reading, and it looks to be different from what I need, or maybe Allyson or Teppy needs. And by the by, I don't consider the long, convoluted sentence thing to be a grammar issue; it's a crafting issue to me. As for typos, that doesn't arise in a real life setting; I'm reading aloud, they're listening.


erikaj - May 03, 2005 8:00:41 am PDT #1682 of 10001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

When I first write things, I suspect they come out as if spoken, much of the time, hence the fragments. Now I hate it because I have to clean it up.


Allyson - May 03, 2005 8:01:33 am PDT #1683 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't consider the long, convoluted sentence thing to be a grammar issue; it's a crafting issue to me.

Yes. This. It's one of my bigger weaknesses as a writer. Many commas, and not a period to be found for inches.


Betsy HP - May 03, 2005 8:04:09 am PDT #1684 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Furthermore, "I have no idea what this sentence means" (which I have been known to write on close friends' betas) is absolutely a craft issue.


Susan W. - May 03, 2005 8:05:58 am PDT #1685 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I just thought you didn't like my stuff and did what you could to help.

Not at all! I loved your stuff, which is why all I did to the piece you sent me was suggest rewordings, because I thought it was already wonderful and all I could do was offer ways to polish and tighten it a bit to make it sing even more.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2005 8:06:29 am PDT #1686 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

It's one of my bigger weaknesses as a writer. Many commas, and not a period to be found for inches.

If so, you're in very good company. I get just as twitchy with hyper-short sentences as I do with the convoluted ones.

Also, personal peeve: the "cut every possible thing out, it's all fat anyway" school. Dudes, get over it, you are not Sir Thomas Malory and you aren't writing "Le Morte d'Arthur", and three-word sentences that dangle like limp genitalia make me want to forcefeed your frontal lobes with words. Half the time, the writer is cutting muscle and bone.


erikaj - May 03, 2005 8:06:41 am PDT #1687 of 10001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

Yeah. I have a few of those...hopefully I fixed them.ETA: What does this mean? type sentences. As I write crime, maybe I want my sentences to be too short, too.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2005 8:08:45 am PDT #1688 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Heh. I just don't get how and when and where and why the idea that taking a complete thought of fifteen words, and deciding that it reads better as four tiny incomplete sentences, became so desirable.

Truth to tell, I go red-pen manic over those, unless they're rare, and in dialogue.


Betsy HP - May 03, 2005 8:09:47 am PDT #1689 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

This is why every writer has, at one time or another, been tempted to buy a rubber stamp that reads "Stet".


erikaj - May 03, 2005 8:10:40 am PDT #1690 of 10001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

They think they're being staccato, Tarentino, and edgy, Deb.