I like pancakes 'cause they're stackable. Ooo, and waffles 'cause you can put things in the little holes if you wanted to.

Buffy ,'Potential'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Apr 27, 2005 8:56:04 am PDT #1415 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Cindy, even with the slight structural issue, that's a gorgeous, gorgeous drabble.

Is the point of view consistent throughout? Score 1 to 5. That's a yes or no question in my mind. Is the internal conflict introduced early enough and is it clear enough? Score 1 to 5. What if it's introduced late for a good reason? What if it's not spelled out in capital letters right away for a reason?

Oh, man, how horrible. I would have probably zeroed on all of those. Conflict? I didn't even know what "Plainsong" was about until I'd written half the book - I just knew it wanted to get written.

Then again, I don't compete. I'm not big on "winning". Never saw the point; I just do what I do, and that includes my neverending jones to sit down with a group of people, and say "Once upon a time..."

Mind you, I am definitely not dissing contests. I just mean they're from an entirely zone from the one I personally inhabit.


deborah grabien - Apr 27, 2005 9:00:17 am PDT #1416 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Oooh! Just went back and read Cindy's slight rework. And it's gorgeouser!


Susan W. - Apr 27, 2005 9:22:13 am PDT #1417 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

FWIW, here's a fairly typical romance contest scoresheet: [link]

It's for the contest I failed to final in, though I haven't received my results yet. For the most part, I think the scoring criteria are valid, though there are some I'd like to reword. E.g., I'd change "Are all five senses utilized to portray emotion?" to "Does the writer use strong, evocative sensory details?" Because I know that somewhere out there is an overly literal, pedantic judge who's going to mark down a kick-ass piece of writing just because there was no good reason to use taste in that brief scene or scenes. I'd also change the weighting of the scores a bit--IMO those last two questions under "Overall Impression" should count for a lot more than 10 points, because when I'm in a bookstore reading the first few pages to determine whether I want to buy a book, I'm asking myself whether I'm intrigued enough to keep reading, not whether the writer has used all five senses or presented both internal and external conflict.

Is the internal conflict introduced early enough and is it clear enough? Score 1 to 5. What if it's introduced late for a good reason? What if it's not spelled out in capital letters right away for a reason? Shudder.

When I was entering Lucy's story in contests, I consistently got marked down for conflict. I ended up deciding they had a point--that story really was too damn subtle. But I'll be interested in seeing how the wip fares. It definitely has a lot more action and a faster-paced plot, and the obstacles keeping Jack and Anna apart are an order of magnitude greater than anything James and Lucy faced. But there's definitely a school of romance writing popular in judging circles that insists that the hero and heroine be in direct conflict with each other, and that the conflict must be spelled out right from the beginning. And that's just not what this particular story is about.

I'm definitely rethinking whether entering contests is a worthwhile strategy for my style of writing, though I'm withholding judgement until I've actually got the results from the three I entered this spring.


§ ita § - Apr 27, 2005 9:31:25 am PDT #1418 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Bird In The Hand

"Nope. Spending the night is boyfriend stuff. And you don't want a boyfriend."

"Pfft." Her grimace was empty of emotion. "You know I'm not a girlfriend sort of a girl. Besides, you'd have to give up all your other women."

"She ... they ... I already did."

She didn't look up, or break her rhythm.

Hours later, he's searching for his scattered clothes, trying not to disturb her.

When he looks over, in the dim light, she's watching him opaquely, and holding his rumpled shirt tight to her body. She shakes her head.

"Don't leave."


deborah grabien - Apr 27, 2005 9:35:37 am PDT #1419 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

(dying over ita's)

Oh, yes indeedy.

I love the complete tease of that "watching him opaquely." I love a good adverb and I get really pissed at adverb nazis; used properly, as you just did, they're stone cold gorgeous. I love that the word brought up multiple visuals in my head, mutiple possibilities, for that opaque-looking. Are her eyes clouded, is it dark, are her motives hidden, and on and on...

I love that you respect the reader enough to let her/him draw that picture in his/her own head.

edited for clarity: the adverbs are gorgeous, not the adverb-haters.


Connie Neil - Apr 27, 2005 9:41:51 am PDT #1420 of 10001
brillig

Ok, I got a good "Awww" out of that. Holding his shirt hostage. (I'd have ended it with the head shake, but that's me.)


Topic!Cindy - Apr 27, 2005 9:44:47 am PDT #1421 of 10001
What is even happening?

ita! You made a bunch of word pictures in my head.


Beverly - Apr 27, 2005 10:02:22 am PDT #1422 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I think ita is one of the most sensuous writers in this thread. Maybe ever. When she writes, I get that it's cold, or warm, cloudy, sunny, dark, I taste the fruit she mentions, feel the blood trickle, air strike a new cut, feel the ache of a bruise.

Of course, these things are important to me. I try to write with them in mind. It's just a joy to find them in someone else's work.


deborah grabien - Apr 27, 2005 10:04:17 am PDT #1423 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I try to write with them in mind.

Heh. I try to write with them somewhere between my groin and the pit of my stomach.


Beverly - Apr 27, 2005 10:07:38 am PDT #1424 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I try to write with them somewhere between my groin and the pit of my stomach.

Well, that too.