My ire is not just directed at the Catholic Church. Don't worry.
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Spike's Bitches 22: You've got Angel breath
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NoiseDesign - Feb 09, 2005 1:10:14 pm PST #208 of 10001
Our wings are not tired
JZ - Feb 09, 2005 1:11:30 pm PST #209 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Nonono, Hec, it's not you, dear heart. It's the whole discussion, and me being in a bad bad headspace right now.
Sorry to be all wet-blankety, everyone. I will defend Paul some other day, but right now I'm just feeling kicked in the teeth by life in general. For no very good reason, just a lot of selfish wallowing in pity for other peoples' unhappiness, so I don't need any punctuation. I just feel all surly and prickly and full of wrong wordiness, so I'm'a go soak my head and resurface later.
I will be vibing ecumeical vibes in the direction of Betsy's rotator cuff, though.
erikaj - Feb 09, 2005 1:12:32 pm PST #210 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!
No. I have outrage enough for...well, The Four Corners area. But also for many institutions.
Lyra Jane - Feb 09, 2005 1:13:36 pm PST #211 of 10001
Up with the sun
Worldwide and historically, well, nobody's ever had more money or more power than the Catholic Church. It's nobody's fault but their own if they don't have a history of using either one terribly well.
Please point me to an organization of any sort that's been around for 2,000 years -- heck, even 1,000 or 500-- that has used power and money particularly well. I certainly can't think of one.
Betsy HP - Feb 09, 2005 1:14:37 pm PST #212 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
How many other organizations have been around for 1000 years?
ChiKat - Feb 09, 2005 1:15:45 pm PST #213 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
How many other organizations have been around for 1000 years?
The Masons!
(kidding. I have no idea.)
ChiKat - Feb 09, 2005 1:16:36 pm PST #214 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
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Rick - Feb 09, 2005 1:18:33 pm PST #215 of 10001
Please point me to an organization of any sort that's been around for 2,000 years -- heck, even 1,000 or 500-- that has used power and money particularly well. I certainly can't think of one.
The thing is, though, that it is reasonable to hold an organization to a higher standard when it claims to speak for God. The Hudson Bay Company, not so much.
Lyra Jane - Feb 09, 2005 1:18:40 pm PST #216 of 10001
Up with the sun
How many other organizations have been around for 1000 years?
Mostly just countries -- England, China, Japan. Greece and Italy, both with major changes between then and now. Ethiopia, IIRC. Also the Jewish and Muslim religions, only Judaism hasn't had power (which , okay, the fault of Catholics) most of that time.
My point is, most of history is bloody and fairly shameful.
it is reasonable to hold an organization to a higher standard when it claims to speak for God.
How many countries have had kings who clamed to be the direct descendents of some god or other, or in personal communication with him?
DavidS - Feb 09, 2005 1:19:35 pm PST #217 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
My point is, most of history is bloody and fairly shameful.
See Rick's point, re: claiming moral authority.