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Spike's Bitches 22: You've got Angel breath  

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Betsy HP - Feb 09, 2005 1:14:37 pm PST #212 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

How many other organizations have been around for 1000 years?


ChiKat - Feb 09, 2005 1:15:45 pm PST #213 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

How many other organizations have been around for 1000 years?

The Masons!

(kidding. I have no idea.)


ChiKat - Feb 09, 2005 1:16:36 pm PST #214 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Here's a better one of my niece. Big cheesy grin:

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She's adorable. (bias? what's bias?)


Rick - Feb 09, 2005 1:18:33 pm PST #215 of 10001

Please point me to an organization of any sort that's been around for 2,000 years -- heck, even 1,000 or 500-- that has used power and money particularly well. I certainly can't think of one.

The thing is, though, that it is reasonable to hold an organization to a higher standard when it claims to speak for God. The Hudson Bay Company, not so much.


Lyra Jane - Feb 09, 2005 1:18:40 pm PST #216 of 10001
Up with the sun

How many other organizations have been around for 1000 years?

Mostly just countries -- England, China, Japan. Greece and Italy, both with major changes between then and now. Ethiopia, IIRC. Also the Jewish and Muslim religions, only Judaism hasn't had power (which , okay, the fault of Catholics) most of that time.

My point is, most of history is bloody and fairly shameful.

it is reasonable to hold an organization to a higher standard when it claims to speak for God.

How many countries have had kings who clamed to be the direct descendents of some god or other, or in personal communication with him?


DavidS - Feb 09, 2005 1:19:35 pm PST #217 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My point is, most of history is bloody and fairly shameful.

See Rick's point, re: claiming moral authority.


brenda m - Feb 09, 2005 1:19:44 pm PST #218 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I'm sorry you're feeling that way, JZ, and that we may be adding to it. FWIW, I'd be very interested in hearing more from you and Teppy on Paul at some point in the future.


libkitty - Feb 09, 2005 1:20:27 pm PST #219 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

{{{JZ}}}

Liberation theology and liberal Catholicism rock. It's great that you have such a religious community. I have liberal Catholic friends here, who go to a pretty conservative church. I think it's probably a little tough for them, but they work towards change as lovingly as they can. And they visit me at the Episcopalian church down the hill occasionally. I had given up on God altogether until I found my church, where I can focus on the example of Jesus's life, where I can follow a belief that works for me without denigrating other roads, where the journey is the reason, not fear of the end. I'll stop my rant now, in time to go become ash-besmirched.


Betsy HP - Feb 09, 2005 1:22:18 pm PST #220 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Italy wasn't a country for the period between the fall of Rome and the rise of Garibaldi. It was a whole bunch of little tiny city-states.


Lyra Jane - Feb 09, 2005 1:28:40 pm PST #221 of 10001
Up with the sun

See Rick's point, re: claiming moral authority.

And see my response, re: the propensity of kings, emperors, et. al. to claim that God spoke through them. How is that moral authority different from that of the church?

Italy wasn't a country for the period between the fall of Rome and the rise of Garibaldi. It was a whole bunch of little tiny city-states.

And modern Greeks aren't descended from Athenians. This is why I said what I said about "major changes."

I'm not explaining myself very well, and this whole conversation is making me somewhat irrationally defensive, so I really am logging off now. See you in the morning.