Sorry, Captain. I'm real sorry. I shoulda kept better care of her. Usually she lets me know when something's wrong. Maybe she did, I just wasn't paying attention...

Kaylee ,'Out Of Gas'


Spike's Bitches 22: You've got Angel breath  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


§ ita § - Feb 09, 2005 11:42:01 am PST #121 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In retrospect, there's a couple of guys I wish I hadn't slept with because I don't think I knew them well enough.

Somehow I made it to majority without tightly linking sex with emotional intimacy. In fact, the guy I lost my virginity to said "You should try it with someone you're in love with -- it's even better." To which I said "Oh, hell no! If it gets better than this, I'll never do anything else."

So there's the idea of not knowing them well enough to predict they'd insist on watersports with Fido -- that I'd regret, but just knowing them as a person, can make things better, but isn't required.

For me.


Gudanov - Feb 09, 2005 11:43:26 am PST #122 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I think that our society treats sex (get ready for a big contradiction!) both too casually and too seriously.

I feel that way too.


Anne W. - Feb 09, 2005 11:44:23 am PST #123 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I'm disturbed by how the religous right has become the voice of christianity when it seems to concentrate so much being anti-abortion and anti-gay and ignores social and economic justice.

I think I need a macro for my rant on this subject. It would save so much time.


Betsy HP - Feb 09, 2005 11:44:40 am PST #124 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

When I was in college (late 80s) I recall seeing a book that set forth the idea that America was God's chosen nation and was to do His will upon the earth. I was far more conservative then than I am now, and I still thought the idea was hella scary and could only lead to very, very bad things.

Reconstructionism. Scary, scary stuff.

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ChiKat - Feb 09, 2005 11:44:57 am PST #125 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

And, to completely contradict myself, there's a couple of guys that I had, well, fuck-buddy relationships with that I don't regret one bit.

I think the ones I do regret was that there was a pretense of emotional intimacy that wasn't really there.


Jessica - Feb 09, 2005 11:45:59 am PST #126 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

On this issue, I am Hec.

Me too. (Which is pretty surprising, given how generally intolerant I am of Hec's tendency to oversimplify moral/social issues. But on these...yeah. Right there with him.)


Scrappy - Feb 09, 2005 11:46:42 am PST #127 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

We treat sex more seriously than we treat life and death. There is far less outcry over graphic violence and depictions of death than of sexuality in all forms of media.


§ ita § - Feb 09, 2005 11:46:58 am PST #128 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the ones I do regret was that there was a pretense of emotional intimacy that wasn't really there.

The pretense is the ick for me too. Please don't propose marriage after picking me up, but right before sex. If you still know me in a week, it would still be too soon.


Nicole - Feb 09, 2005 11:47:02 am PST #129 of 10001
I'm getting the pig!

So there's the idea of not knowing them well enough to predict they'd insist on watersports with Fido -- that I'd regret, but just knowing them as a person, can make things better, but isn't required.

::Nodding like crazy::

For me, emotional intimacy comes from truly knowing a person, not from sex.


Jessica - Feb 09, 2005 11:48:34 am PST #130 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

But the religious right certainly doesn't speak for all christians.

No, but they are the ones currently making the rules for the rest of the country, which means somebody voted for them. A lot of somebodies. And that's damn scary.