Gwen: Demon, OK? The whole nine—cloven feet and horns and teeth. He wasn't wearing lamé though. Lorne: Yeah, the evil ones can't pull it off. It gets camp.

'Harm's Way'


Natter 32 Flavors and Then Some  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Alibelle - Feb 11, 2005 10:57:45 am PST #6372 of 10002
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

I'm going to go see Bride and Prejudice very soon! With my aunt! Yay!

I have no idea how much I make a year. Maybe $3000ish? I make $9 an hour, but I only work 11 hours a week, and I've had an incredibly hard time getting a summer job, in the past few years, so that doesn't extend through the summer months. I also have a nice chunk of debt, and I need to go take out another loan, actually, which sucks. And my rent sucks, and just adds to my debt, since I basically have enough to feed myself, and do little things, like movies and books and occasionally eating out-- also known as mental health activities, but that's about it. But I have no car payments, because I have no car. So, that's an unfortunate plus, of some sort.


Jesse - Feb 11, 2005 10:58:46 am PST #6373 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I swear, for most of my working life, my rent has been very close to half of my take-home, and it's been OK. That's what I get for living in eastern cities.

Well, they were teasing because properly Jamaican would mean three jobs. It's one of our stereotypes in the US, I came to learn.

There was a skit on In Living Color: "I got four jobs, mon!" "Four? Mon, my cousin's got six jobs!" Like that.


Lyra Jane - Feb 11, 2005 10:59:12 am PST #6374 of 10002
Up with the sun

you can see something's wrong just from the averages, where the median salary for a single male is $26,700 and for a single female is $18,160.

And I must be East coast-spoiled (and middle-class spoiled), because I cannot concieve how anyone can survice on $18K, much less that it's a national average.

I make $29K right now, but that comes with a footnote because I took a big paycut when I started this job. (Different industry, plus I had been fired, and any job beats no job.) My husband makes more than twice as much, which makes me feel guilty. Our rent is $1600 a month. I have no idea what our total debt is.


msbelle - Feb 11, 2005 11:02:25 am PST #6375 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

ok I did the math, my housing costs are 26% of my gross and 35% of my take home.

2 years ago I was paying 17.5% of my gross but I think that is the best ratio I have ever had in NYC.


Sue - Feb 11, 2005 11:05:17 am PST #6376 of 10002
hip deep in pie

From flickr, mappr: [link]


Jesse - Feb 11, 2005 11:09:27 am PST #6377 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My college friends and I have always talked about what we make -- what's been interesting is seeing how different industries work. One friend was making money like non-profit me for years and years before she finally got the big bump. And it was BIG. I know I'll likely never match my for-profit friends, salary-wise, but I also know I make way more than most people, and I live a perfectly comfortable life.


Kristen - Feb 11, 2005 11:10:25 am PST #6378 of 10002

This is part of why it pays to change jobs.

Believe you me, I have tried. For some reason, I have had the worst luck ever in the LA job market. My review is in March and there will be a serious talk. If they don't cough up the dough, I am finally in a place to say, "Take this job and shove it."


Kathy A - Feb 11, 2005 11:11:11 am PST #6379 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

My rent is 22% of my gross, 30% of my take home.

I was surprised just now when I did a mortgage calculation of a hypothetical $150K 2BR condo only a few miles from work, and saw that if I could come up with a $5K downpayment, at today's rates (if my credit rating would get me those rates, which is a big if), the mortgage payment would only be an additional $125 a month. Of course, that doesn't include the condo association fee, which is usually another $100-200/month, nor any repair costs that are currently covered by my landlord.

I think I'll keep renting for a while...


brenda m - Feb 11, 2005 11:11:42 am PST #6380 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

My rent is 24.5% of my gross. I could pay less in another neighborhood, though.

I don't usually consider my student loans in my debt tally. Or rather, I do, but it's a sort of separate category. I've paid off most of my accumulated cc debt though, and now my priority is cleaning up stuff from long ago when I was young[er] and [more] irresponsible.


Jesse - Feb 11, 2005 11:12:03 am PST #6381 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My review is in March and there will be a serious talk. If they don't cough up the dough, I am finally in a place to say, "Take this job and shove it."

Good for you! Seriously, I know it's not that easy to just say "well, get a new job!" but this coworker was wack, staying like she did.