Early: You folks are all insane. Simon: Well, my sister's a ship. We had a complicated childhood.

'Objects In Space'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:29:43 am PDT #9678 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I'm not sure if River needed to be stripped back more, but I think they could have done away with Mr. Universe and expanded Book's part more. Imagine if instead of having Book already be off the ship, at the beginning they dropped him at his mission and, somehow, found some kind of abandoned (possibly Alliance) signal complex, either in space or on the missionary world, which Book "mysteriously" understands the workings of. They could even have included the first visit that happened in the movie, and thus given Book a bit more time/backstory, plus he could also be a window into Mal. His death could have had more meaning (which did ping me as gratuitous/cliched), and we could have done without the plot device that was Mr. U's only reason for being.

I had no issue with Wash's death, though it did make me sad. It totally made it "all bets are off" for me on who was going to make it. Plus, once I learned about the meta reasons for who died, I couldn't unknow them.


Polter-Cow - Jul 06, 2007 10:30:31 am PDT #9679 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

There were meta reasons?


tommyrot - Jul 06, 2007 10:33:01 am PDT #9680 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think they could have done away with Mr. Universe

I think they needed Mr. Universe to be Mr. Exposition, plus at the end they needed a way to not stop the signal to all the worlds....


Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:34:19 am PDT #9681 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

There were meta reasons?

Ron Glass and Alan Tudyk would only agree to do one movie (which is why they were the last to be signed).


Kevin - Jul 06, 2007 10:35:47 am PDT #9682 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I don't think it's back peddling, so much as the River story wasn't the intention, as far as I understand. I did a quick Google on that term and I wasn't wrong: [link]

PS: Ron is signed for 3 movies. Until later this year when the contracts expire.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:36:12 am PDT #9683 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I think they needed Mr. Universe to be Mr. Exposition, plus at the end they needed a way to not stop the signal to all the worlds....

Right, and I think Book (with his...ahem...past as an operative) and a derelict signal device could have accomplished the same goal without bringing in "character we've never heard of before".


tommyrot - Jul 06, 2007 10:37:27 am PDT #9684 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Right, and I think Book (with his...ahem...past as an operative) and a derelict signal device could have accomplished the same goal without bringing in "character we've never heard of before".

Oh, good point.

Except then we'd have no Lovebot....


Polter-Cow - Jul 06, 2007 10:37:42 am PDT #9685 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ron Glass and Alan Tudyk would only agree to do one movie (which is why they were the last to be signed).

Well, that's sad. And kind of lame.


Ailleann - Jul 06, 2007 10:39:19 am PDT #9686 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

Well, that's sad. And kind of lame.

Real life so often is.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 06, 2007 10:39:49 am PDT #9687 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

For me, Mal was the Buffy of Firefly-- sort of the male equivalent of the "unexpected hero", while River was sort of the Drusilla. In Serenity, River was Buffy and Mal was, sort of, Angel-- the "if you can't do any good, then all you can do is good hero"