I think they could have done away with Mr. Universe
I think they needed Mr. Universe to be Mr. Exposition, plus at the end they needed a way to not stop the signal to all the worlds....
Out. For. A. Walk. ... Bitch.
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tommyrot - Jul 06, 2007 10:33:01 am PDT #9680 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:34:19 am PDT #9681 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
There were meta reasons?
Ron Glass and Alan Tudyk would only agree to do one movie (which is why they were the last to be signed).
Kevin - Jul 06, 2007 10:35:47 am PDT #9682 of 10001
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I don't think it's back peddling, so much as the River story wasn't the intention, as far as I understand. I did a quick Google on that term and I wasn't wrong: [link]
PS: Ron is signed for 3 movies. Until later this year when the contracts expire.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:36:12 am PDT #9683 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I think they needed Mr. Universe to be Mr. Exposition, plus at the end they needed a way to not stop the signal to all the worlds....
Right, and I think Book (with his...ahem...past as an operative) and a derelict signal device could have accomplished the same goal without bringing in "character we've never heard of before".
tommyrot - Jul 06, 2007 10:37:27 am PDT #9684 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Right, and I think Book (with his...ahem...past as an operative) and a derelict signal device could have accomplished the same goal without bringing in "character we've never heard of before".
Oh, good point.
Except then we'd have no Lovebot....
Polter-Cow - Jul 06, 2007 10:37:42 am PDT #9685 of 10001
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Ron Glass and Alan Tudyk would only agree to do one movie (which is why they were the last to be signed).
Well, that's sad. And kind of lame.
Ailleann - Jul 06, 2007 10:39:19 am PDT #9686 of 10001
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Well, that's sad. And kind of lame.
Real life so often is.
Sophia Brooks - Jul 06, 2007 10:39:49 am PDT #9687 of 10001
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For me, Mal was the Buffy of Firefly-- sort of the male equivalent of the "unexpected hero", while River was sort of the Drusilla. In Serenity, River was Buffy and Mal was, sort of, Angel-- the "if you can't do any good, then all you can do is good hero"
Juliebird - Jul 06, 2007 10:48:00 am PDT #9688 of 10001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I disliked Mr. Universe not just because his sole purpose was the exposition (and the vague funny that is Jews! In! Space!), but because the crew/core of characters had to seek outside themselves in order for the story to move forward. They didn't get to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
They had to go next door and ask if there were any bootstraps to be pulled.
I just really didn't like that the momentum wasn't carried forward on it's own, that there was actually a beat in the movie where Wash has to actually say, "we now have to go seek out another character because not a one of us is qualified to do anything with the plot as it stands."
Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:53:01 am PDT #9689 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I just really didn't like that the momentum wasn't carried forward on it's own, that there was actually a beat in the movie where Wash has to actually say, "we now have to go seek out another character because not a one of us is qualified to do anything with the plot as it stands."
Perzactly. They wouldn't have even had to have Book actually cop to his past (although I'd have dearly loved a confrontation between the Operative and Book with at least a hint of recognition, though it would have had a bigtime Vader/Obi-Wan vibe, just to see those two actors square off), and they also could have had him press Mal a bit more like he did during the first visit.