For me, Mal was the Buffy of Firefly-- sort of the male equivalent of the "unexpected hero", while River was sort of the Drusilla. In Serenity, River was Buffy and Mal was, sort of, Angel-- the "if you can't do any good, then all you can do is good hero"

I disliked Mr. Universe not just because his sole purpose was the exposition (and the vague funny that is Jews! In! Space!), but because the crew/core of characters had to seek outside themselves in order for the story to move forward. They didn't get to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

They had to go next door and ask if there were any bootstraps to be pulled.

I just really didn't like that the momentum wasn't carried forward on it's own, that there was actually a beat in the movie where Wash has to actually say, "we now have to go seek out another character because not a one of us is qualified to do anything with the plot as it stands."

I just really didn't like that the momentum wasn't carried forward on it's own, that there was actually a beat in the movie where Wash has to actually say, "we now have to go seek out another character because not a one of us is qualified to do anything with the plot as it stands."

Perzactly. They wouldn't have even had to have Book actually cop to his past (although I'd have dearly loved a confrontation between the Operative and Book with at least a hint of recognition, though it would have had a bigtime Vader/Obi-Wan vibe, just to see those two actors square off), and they also could have had him press Mal a bit more like he did during the first visit.

that there was actually a beat in the movie where Wash has to actually say, "we now have to go seek out another character because not a one of us is qualified to do anything with the plot as it stands."

You know, I hated that line. But worse, the CGI that followed -- it looked like a really bad Nintendo Wii game.

Imagine if instead of having Book already be off the ship, at the beginning they dropped him at his mission and, somehow, found some kind of abandoned (possibly Alliance) signal complex, either in space or on the missionary world, which Book "mysteriously" understands the workings of. They could even have included the first visit that happened in the movie, and thus given Book a bit more time/backstory, plus he could also be a window into Mal. His death could have had more meaning (which did ping me as gratuitous/cliched), and we could have done without the plot device that was Mr. U's only reason for being.

So, Frank, when do you start as a screenwriter. Because I really like this. A lot.

I know I said I was in denial about Wash's death. And I am. But it still worked for me in the movie, in a way that Book's totally didn't (but would in Frank's scenario). I guess, more than being in denial about Wash's death, I seem to refuse to accept the movie being canon. Because, as others have mentioned, Firefly, with it's amazing ensemble, was where it was at. Rather then The River Show, which was fine, but not what I loved.

Also, the commas are mine, all mine!!

Alan wanted out of Firefly, so I'd imagine would have met a similar fate. Unless the producers wanted to be nice and have him walk into the sunset. Er, fly.

I'd never heard that about AT. I'd read that he volunteered himself to die for the sake of storytelling, or rather that he'd be okay with it if it served the story.

*sticks fingers in ears*

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Yeah, he's said it in interviews since. When the movie came out an 'Official Serenity Magazine' thing was distributed by Titan in the UK, which included an interview with Alan, saying he didn't want to do more than two series of Firefly.

He's a great, great character actor so all power to him.

Meta does not mix well with . . . other stuff.

Well, and then there's the fan understanding that joss tends to maim or kill the character he believes to be his avatar...so Wash getting a stake through the heart is sort of joss'-psych-profile-meta.

The movie was about River. Mal was great, but the throughline was River. To be about Mal, we would've had to see his Independents background, his loss of faith, and how his character changed as a result of the events in the movie. Other than the deaders, really only River and The Operative changed, with a bit of a shift for Simon.

And I've never been able to watch the bit before "Somebody FIRE!!!" as anything but a GalaxyQuest shoutout.