Sorry, Captain. I'm real sorry. I shoulda kept better care of her. Usually she lets me know when something's wrong. Maybe she did, I just wasn't paying attention...

Kaylee ,'Out Of Gas'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


§ ita § - Jul 06, 2007 9:50:08 am PDT #9674 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hmm. If it was to be about Mal, yes, they did a bad job in my eyes. Because it's about River, her mystery, and how that affects people, almost foremost of whom is Mal.


Kevin - Jul 06, 2007 10:10:20 am PDT #9675 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Well, the official line (meaning, Joss' from the commentary, I think) was that it is Mal's story as told by River. I personally know one of many things which came back from the early test screenings was people thinking it was River's film, but being disappointed by her journey. Which is why the reshoots (well, additional scenes) went in to make people focus on Mal a bit more.

Personally -- and, yeah, I'm not an expert -- I would have stripped River's part back a bit and put more Inara in. Inara could act as a window to Mal, but also have her own part.


§ ita § - Jul 06, 2007 10:12:15 am PDT #9676 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, it was one of the few times I didn't hate Inara, but I'd have been resentful of her gaining screen time at the expense of anyone who actually got any.


ChiKat - Jul 06, 2007 10:23:44 am PDT #9677 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

the official line (meaning, Joss' from the commentary, I think) was that it is Mal's story as told by River

Huh. Sounds like some backpeddaling to me. As in they started to make Mal's story, but it turned out to be River's so they had to adjust their "official line."

To me, it is River's story. Period.

Because it's about River, her mystery, and how that affects people, almost foremost of whom is Mal.

So very much this.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:29:43 am PDT #9678 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I'm not sure if River needed to be stripped back more, but I think they could have done away with Mr. Universe and expanded Book's part more. Imagine if instead of having Book already be off the ship, at the beginning they dropped him at his mission and, somehow, found some kind of abandoned (possibly Alliance) signal complex, either in space or on the missionary world, which Book "mysteriously" understands the workings of. They could even have included the first visit that happened in the movie, and thus given Book a bit more time/backstory, plus he could also be a window into Mal. His death could have had more meaning (which did ping me as gratuitous/cliched), and we could have done without the plot device that was Mr. U's only reason for being.

I had no issue with Wash's death, though it did make me sad. It totally made it "all bets are off" for me on who was going to make it. Plus, once I learned about the meta reasons for who died, I couldn't unknow them.


Polter-Cow - Jul 06, 2007 10:30:31 am PDT #9679 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

There were meta reasons?


tommyrot - Jul 06, 2007 10:33:01 am PDT #9680 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think they could have done away with Mr. Universe

I think they needed Mr. Universe to be Mr. Exposition, plus at the end they needed a way to not stop the signal to all the worlds....


Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:34:19 am PDT #9681 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

There were meta reasons?

Ron Glass and Alan Tudyk would only agree to do one movie (which is why they were the last to be signed).


Kevin - Jul 06, 2007 10:35:47 am PDT #9682 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I don't think it's back peddling, so much as the River story wasn't the intention, as far as I understand. I did a quick Google on that term and I wasn't wrong: [link]

PS: Ron is signed for 3 movies. Until later this year when the contracts expire.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 06, 2007 10:36:12 am PDT #9683 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I think they needed Mr. Universe to be Mr. Exposition, plus at the end they needed a way to not stop the signal to all the worlds....

Right, and I think Book (with his...ahem...past as an operative) and a derelict signal device could have accomplished the same goal without bringing in "character we've never heard of before".