I think Mal realized that since the Alliance and the Operative found out he had River, they were pretty much screwed. They could either turn River over (sending her to her death) or gamble on finding a way out of the situation.
And almost sixty-five percent of that was actual compliment. Is that a personal best?
Xander ,'End of Days'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
tommyrot - Apr 20, 2006 10:58:51 am PDT #8275 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
aurelia - Apr 20, 2006 10:59:30 am PDT #8276 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Refrains from trying to distinguish between 'champion' and 'hero' as that never ends well
Does it involve jewelry?
Volans - Apr 20, 2006 10:59:55 am PDT #8277 of 10001
move out and draw fire
It was the price the crew paid for Mal's use of the Reavers as a weapon.
Interesting. So what price for using River as a weapon? Book? Or none, because River chose to become the weapon? Or did The Alliance pay the price for making RiverWeapon with the loss of men and ships and the newswave about Miranda?
As for the other, TV!Mal put lives before causes. It seemed that he had had an epiphany after the battle of Serenity along those lines. Movie!Mal did put the cause before the lives.
tommyrot - Apr 20, 2006 11:00:44 am PDT #8278 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Refrains from trying to distinguish between 'champion' and 'hero' as that never ends well
One is needed by Bonnie Tyler, the other eats Wheaties....
Dana - Apr 20, 2006 11:07:32 am PDT #8279 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Movie!Mal did put the cause before the lives.
I think Movie!Mal finally found another cause he could privilege that highly.
At a con I was at recently, we had a really interesting panel about Mal, and the way in which you could view the other characters as possessing or representing things Mal had lost. So you have Book and his faith, Wash and his humor, Kaylee and her optimism, etc.
Topic!Cindy - Apr 20, 2006 11:08:34 am PDT #8280 of 10001
What is even happening?
Does it involve jewelry?
Yes, but not the Liz Taylor stuff. Claddagh rings.
tommyrot - Apr 20, 2006 11:09:04 am PDT #8281 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
At a con I was at recently, we had a really interesting panel about Mal, and the way in which you could view the other characters as possessing or representing things Mal had lost. So you have Book and his faith, Wash and his humor, Kaylee and her optimism, etc.
Simon and River and their hodgeberries....
WindSparrow - Apr 20, 2006 11:15:00 am PDT #8282 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.
Simon and River and their hodgeberries....
sporfle.
DavidS - Apr 20, 2006 11:34:18 am PDT #8283 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
It was Mal's arrogance which made him believe they could be used without consequences for his own crew.
He never presumed there would be no consequences for his own crew. To the contrary, he told them that there was a high chance of dying.
§ ita § - Apr 20, 2006 11:45:00 am PDT #8284 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How would you define the cause that Mal was willing to risk so much for? Combatting the Alliance? Isn't that the same cause that broke him at the battle of Serenity? Not much difference there--in fact, he's thumbing his nose at them in small ways constantly.
But I don't think that using his crew as weapons is anything like unleashing the Reavers--the Reavers are chaotic and unpredictable--his crew is there in that conflict in varying degrees because of their devotion to him and/or the same cause.
It's the difference between asking a favour of a friend and a favour of the Sidhe.