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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Eddie - Apr 18, 2006 10:25:46 pm PDT #8242 of 10001
Your tag here.

Summer Glau is going to be in SciFi's Mammoth.


Tamara - Apr 18, 2006 10:29:55 pm PDT #8243 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

And now it was just announced she will be in a ABC family movie next fall.


Spidra Webster - Apr 19, 2006 11:39:12 pm PDT #8244 of 10001
I wish I could just go somewhere to get flensed but none of the whaling ships near me take Medicare.

I'm cautiously hopeful about a Xanadu musical. Could be genius, could be disastrous.


Volans - Apr 20, 2006 12:00:37 am PDT #8245 of 10001
move out and draw fire

I watched Serenity last night, second viewing, and I still can't figure out why Wash dies. I can't even figure out how a Reaver ship got there - the "exterior" shots showed them all alone. But story-wise, symbolism-wise, anything, I just can't figure it out.


§ ita § - Apr 20, 2006 3:55:22 am PDT #8246 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

story-wise, symbolism-wise, anything, I just can't figure it out.

To heighten the level of jeopardy?


Ash - Apr 20, 2006 4:56:05 am PDT #8247 of 10001

Why Wash dies, I don't know. But the Reaver ship was following them down the whole way, it seemed to me. As the Serenity landed, the camera was pretty much on the side, so we didn't see where the Reaver ship went, but I always assumed they were still following, rather than giving up and wandering about. Since they didn't lose power, they could just glide into the same hanger that Serenity was sort of crashing through... and then Serenity crashed tail-first, its bow pointed directly toward the following Reaver ship.

All of that made sense to me. Then comes the Wash dying, which not so much.


tommyrot - Apr 20, 2006 5:20:31 am PDT #8248 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

There's a scene when the crew is fleeing Serenity where you can see several ships landing behind Serenity (but since Serenity got turned around they're at the front, IIRC).

I'm trying to picture the scene in my head, as I haven't seen Serenity for a few months... so I might not be remembering it exactly. But there were Reaver ships right behind Serenity....


Kalshane - Apr 20, 2006 5:50:37 am PDT #8249 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Joss' stated reasoning for killing Wash was to show what the stakes were and ratchet up the tension for the finale. For me I think it ratcheted the tension up too high, to the point where I lost my emotional involvement completely, but YTMV.


Beverly - Apr 20, 2006 6:09:01 am PDT #8250 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I think it ratcheted the tension up too high, to the point where I lost my emotional involvement completely

The same thing happened to me. It threw me completely out of the story. I didn't care what happened to anybody else because it was just flickers on a screen, it didn't mean anything, I was no longer involved in the outcome.

I've heard it was Tudyk who suggested it, when it was realized that somebody the audience was invested in and cared about needed to die, as a way of hammering home the randomness of death and racheting the jeopardy of everyone else's lives. From a filmmaking standpoint I suppose it did work. For me personally, it ruined the whole film.

I made myself see it again in the theatre, and I bought the dvd the day of release. I think it still has the cellophane on it. I'll watch the extras. I don't think I'll ever watch the film again. I've been going through the series dvds, and I've got my affection and investment in the characters back. I don't want to mess with that by seeing the film again.

I didn't like the retcon of Simon's character. I didn't like the marginalizing and relegating every character to thumbnail stereotype but River and Mal. I do realize it was a movie, an encapsuled version of the story Joss always had in mind, the main thread of which was little girl in jeopardy is stronger than anybody (it's his theme), but I missed the threads of the others, which were always more important to me than River.

To me, River was only interesting as one of an ensemble, not as the jewel for whom the rest of the cast was merely the setting.

Erm. Sorry. Yeah, I have issues.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 20, 2006 6:17:40 am PDT #8251 of 10001
What is even happening?

I've heard it was Tudyk who suggested it, when it was realized that somebody the audience was invested in and cared about needed to die, as a way of hammering home the randomness of death and racheting the jeopardy of everyone else's lives. From a filmmaking standpoint I suppose it did work. For me personally, it ruined the whole film.

Yeah. For me, the death of someone in whom I was invested--that happened when Book died.

To me, River was only interesting as one of an ensemble, not as the jewel for whom the rest of the cast was merely the setting.

Erm. Sorry. Yeah, I have issues.
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