Well, look who just popped open a fresh can of venom.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Liese S. - Feb 03, 2005 6:06:54 pm PST #540 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I could definitely see Zoe in a military family. But she also does have quite a bearing of authority, although not necessarily the need to be top dog. Government otherwise, maybe?


Allyson - Feb 03, 2005 6:17:58 pm PST #541 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I am home. I am having soup and bread for supper, and screw the diet, I WILL HAVE THE VANILLA ICE CREAM AND HOT BUTTERSCOTCH.


Allyson - Feb 03, 2005 6:20:24 pm PST #542 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh. And this is TOTALLY the wrong thread.


tommyrot - Feb 03, 2005 6:23:36 pm PST #543 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Oh. And this is TOTALLY the wrong thread.

Not entirely. Those ice-moon thingies were made of ice cream and butterscotch.


sumi - Feb 03, 2005 6:25:24 pm PST #544 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Allyson -- sounds like a perfectly balanced meal to me. A balance between hot and cold.


Liese S. - Feb 03, 2005 6:28:23 pm PST #545 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I ate a big lunch and then I ate an early dinner and now I am hungry again. I think this is definitely a "screw the diet" day. Especially because I've got a recording session tomorrow that will almost inevitably involve forgetting to eat all day.

Also, I like how the people on Firefly ate. Like real people. Who liked strawberries with an unholy passion, as all good long-term travelers would.


Polter-Cow - Feb 03, 2005 6:30:45 pm PST #546 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I liked the meals they ate together. And the cake made out of dinner.


tianxiaode - Feb 03, 2005 7:34:10 pm PST #547 of 10001
Adrian Pasdar: bringing hot (and ambiguously gay) to a new level since Top Gun.

I need food.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 04, 2005 3:35:55 am PST #548 of 10001
What is even happening?

I think Gus is right about Zoe growing up in a military family, and probably the daughter of an officer, though not high ranking. I don't see a history of wealth, there. She's too comfortable being Mal's second. I have been biting my tongue on this, because the rest of Beverly's character background speculation was so (to my mind, anyhow) spot on, it was spooky.

Okay, someone really needs to explain "What Fathers Make Boys Into" for ita. Clueless and jocky, it seems.

I am not sure I can differentiate, but to me, it's more a case of what the lack of a father does to a boy, and clueless and jocky doesn't play into it. Can you think of any (way generalized) differences between the boys you know who grew up without a father, and the boys who grew up with one present? I'm thinking about friends, and about my two sets of uncles. My maternal grandfather was not very nice, and then was gone, and did not support the family. By the time the oldest of the four boys was 12, and the youngest was almost 8 (with a 3 year old girl, and one on the way--my mum) he was out of the picture. My mother's brothers were differently self-sufficient than were my dad and his brothers. I suspect some of that difference came from learning to help their mom in ways beyond their years. I don't know how to articulate it, but I would have identified Mal as mom-only or mom-mostly reared, even without the canon.

David, I would like to know how you meant 'invested in a male culture' too?


§ ita § - Feb 04, 2005 3:48:34 am PST #549 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can you think of any (way generalized) differences between the boys you know who grew up without a father

No, hence my question. The unifying characteristics are more like a) lack/presence of good male role models (having a father didn't guarantee this) and b) the amount of responsibility placed on the kid after a divorce (but it didn't matter if it was a boy or a girl - the effect was similar).