I think it was squandered, though.
How 'bout that scene with Wesley in the hospital with the pillow and the "you understand I'm me, not Angelus?"
Because you screamed.
Where'd they get CAT scan from?... I mean, did they test it on cats? Or does the machine sort of look like a cat?
Dawn ,'Sleeper'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Allyson - Sep 30, 2005 12:29:32 pm PDT #5322 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 12:33:37 pm PDT #5323 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Because you screamed.
I did. It was cool, and not squandered at all. I think it was both earned, consistent, and surprising. Which is my favourite kind of moment. Delightful.
However, I didn't rank HSQs, so if you're looking for a rating for this, I can't help you. Moments are too different to compare.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 30, 2005 12:35:53 pm PDT #5324 of 10001
What is even happening?
How 'bout that scene with Wesley in the hospital with the pillow and the "you understand I'm me, not Angelus?"
Gah, I loved that.
Daisy Jane - Sep 30, 2005 1:21:45 pm PDT #5325 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
Salon's review is my favorite, for the description of Zoe alone
Zoe (the extraordinary Gina Torres), a curvaceous warrior who redefines womanliness as if it were a newly discovered muscle
joe boucher - Sep 30, 2005 1:24:27 pm PDT #5326 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine
It was a great scene. One of Season 3's highlights. Which means it was a precursor to Deep Down's bucket scene, & doesn't refute the contention that the promise of the latter was squandered. I agree that more could (should) have been done with possibilities raised by Wes's actions & character in that episode, but still found his story, especially his interactions with Lilah, to be the most compelling part of S4. (Naked Jasmine notwithstanding.)
§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 1:28:13 pm PDT #5327 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Zoe (the extraordinary Gina Torres), a curvaceous warrior who redefines womanliness as if it were a newly discovered muscle
I was discussing female action heroes with my friend before the movie started. He said he didn't like it when the chick took out the whole room of baddies. I said that it depended on choreography -- if she's waifish and punches them all out, then, no. But no guy can take that room out either -- we just have to get used to extending the suspension of disbelief -- it's all about the choreography.
Meanwhile, there's also the option of having the women look physically capable.
I have to say -- Serenity did a good job on both parts. River didn't go mano a mano -- she was toe to toe (or toe to face) and used weapons. And Zoe just looked like she could kick as much ass as any guy in the room.
Daisy Jane - Sep 30, 2005 1:38:37 pm PDT #5328 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
I just like the idea that feminine now means lush and curvy and ass kicking without sacrificing the looking lovely in a (an admitedly perfectly gorgeous) dress.
HiddenSky - Sep 30, 2005 2:24:11 pm PDT #5329 of 10001
"There are two sorts of people in the world: those who believe Joss Whedon is a genius and those who are wrong." - Connie Ogle, Miami Herald
You're in a really safe space (relatively speaking) when Wash buys it.
It's probably because I've seen the movie several times, but there's one line that I think is foreshadowy. On Miranda, Jayne has his little outburst, "She's right! Everybody's dead! This whole world is dead for no reason!" While he says that line at the left side of the frame, Wash is pretty much dead center and then the camera kind of hangs on him for a sec before he says "Let's go to the beacon." I have the feeling that shot composition was intentional.
Kat - Sep 30, 2005 2:32:35 pm PDT #5330 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
I think the second best part of Serenity is how balletic and yet strategic River's fighting is.
The best part is Zoe in that dress. Clearly.
§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 2:52:32 pm PDT #5331 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I wouldn't be comfortable omitting Simon's back, nor the meatiness of Mal's chest.
It's the completist in me.