Bar maid! Bring me stronger ale! And some plump, succulent babies to eat!

Olaf the Troll ,'Showtime'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 1:28:13 pm PDT #5327 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Zoe (the extraordinary Gina Torres), a curvaceous warrior who redefines womanliness as if it were a newly discovered muscle

I was discussing female action heroes with my friend before the movie started. He said he didn't like it when the chick took out the whole room of baddies. I said that it depended on choreography -- if she's waifish and punches them all out, then, no. But no guy can take that room out either -- we just have to get used to extending the suspension of disbelief -- it's all about the choreography.

Meanwhile, there's also the option of having the women look physically capable.

I have to say -- Serenity did a good job on both parts. River didn't go mano a mano -- she was toe to toe (or toe to face) and used weapons. And Zoe just looked like she could kick as much ass as any guy in the room.


Daisy Jane - Sep 30, 2005 1:38:37 pm PDT #5328 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I just like the idea that feminine now means lush and curvy and ass kicking without sacrificing the looking lovely in a (an admitedly perfectly gorgeous) dress.


HiddenSky - Sep 30, 2005 2:24:11 pm PDT #5329 of 10001
"There are two sorts of people in the world: those who believe Joss Whedon is a genius and those who are wrong." - Connie Ogle, Miami Herald

You're in a really safe space (relatively speaking) when Wash buys it.

It's probably because I've seen the movie several times, but there's one line that I think is foreshadowy. On Miranda, Jayne has his little outburst, "She's right! Everybody's dead! This whole world is dead for no reason!" While he says that line at the left side of the frame, Wash is pretty much dead center and then the camera kind of hangs on him for a sec before he says "Let's go to the beacon." I have the feeling that shot composition was intentional.


Kat - Sep 30, 2005 2:32:35 pm PDT #5330 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I think the second best part of Serenity is how balletic and yet strategic River's fighting is.

The best part is Zoe in that dress. Clearly.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 2:52:32 pm PDT #5331 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wouldn't be comfortable omitting Simon's back, nor the meatiness of Mal's chest.

It's the completist in me.


amych - Sep 30, 2005 2:55:12 pm PDT #5332 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

There may have been some squirming at the sight of Mal in hips and bedhead, yes.


Astarte - Sep 30, 2005 2:57:34 pm PDT #5333 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

A friend asked me if Jayne ever was shirtless. I told here I didn't think so, but I have no complaints about the very nice skin we did see.

Mmmmmmmm.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 30, 2005 2:58:14 pm PDT #5334 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Mal was shirtless in the movie? I'd forgotten. Oh well, guess I'll have to watcha few times this weekend to refresh my spotty memory...


Kat - Sep 30, 2005 2:58:44 pm PDT #5335 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I think Mal's hips and bedhead is my third favorite thing. And then Simon's back.

I still think he has a Back Double, yoga be damned.

And now, we've named all of the things I really liked about the movie. Oh, and you can put free below Simon's back.

The list of the things I disliked? Irksomely long.


Jars - Sep 30, 2005 3:03:24 pm PDT #5336 of 10001

Don't forget Mal's scars. The scars with the hips and the chest and the bedhead.