This here's a recipe for unpleasantness.

Mal ,'Objects In Space'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Kevin - Aug 01, 2005 4:28:12 am PDT #3966 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

The "do not pass go, do not collect £100" list?

I have noticed Buffistas is particularly nice. This site and Whedonesque are my new website loves at the moment. I would say I love TheInside.org, but Google STILL haven't indexed that site - I've no idea why - so it never really got the coverage it deserved, given 90% of the internet use Google to find things.


Allyson - Aug 01, 2005 5:38:31 am PDT #3967 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I also think you are biased and I don't think you would disagree.

I'm also sensitive enough to admit when I may be speaking through a bias filter.

I can speak about Minear from a fan perspective in an unbiased, un-mama bear way.

Unless that is actually a knobbish thing to do (Allyson?!) in which case I won't.

Don't ask me, I don't know the man.


Wolfram - Aug 01, 2005 8:10:07 am PDT #3968 of 10001
Visilurking

Not sure where this goes but there's a long interview with Joss from In Focus magazine. Haven't read it yet, so possible spoilers.

[link]


tommyrot - Aug 01, 2005 8:13:21 am PDT #3969 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

so possible spoilers.

Yes, there are spoilers. Plus possibly somewhat spoilery for any sequels to Serenity.

But if you skip past that (they have blue sub-headlines for each section) there's tons of non-Serenity stuff.


Kevin - Aug 01, 2005 8:41:40 am PDT #3970 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

A critical line to mention, if it proves true is another matter:

" Universal’s decision to greenlight “Serenity,” the big-screen sequel to “Firefly,” was said to have been influenced by “Firefly’s” phenomenal post-cancellation DVD sales. More than one million copies of the “Complete Series” set have been purchased. On July 6, nearly two years after the DVD set’s release, it would rise (again) to the number two spot on Amazon.com’s daily “top seller” list. "


libkitty - Aug 01, 2005 9:27:03 am PDT #3971 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

The two favorite episodes of almost everyone polled are OIS and Out of Gas. Most true fans know that Out of Gas was Tim's baby.

Wrod. Joss even talks about how OoG was his favorite ep, and how he didn't write or direct it. Firefly, indeed OoG, is the origin of my Tim admiration. If I ever thought it was all Joss, that changed my mind. Having said that, I'm perfectly happy to blame Marti for BtVS problems. I tried not to blame her too much at first, but in the commentaries, she raved about most of the things I didn't like in the series. And also, Point Pleasant ruined any cred she had for me.


Cashmere - Aug 01, 2005 9:51:22 am PDT #3972 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Out of Gas still makes me cry. Damn that button.


Volans - Aug 01, 2005 10:12:29 am PDT #3973 of 10001
move out and draw fire

That article Wolfram linked to addresses the upthread discussion. I paraphrase Joss : "There isn't anything on screen in BtVS or AtS that I had nothing to do with."

And there are entire episodes of “Buffy” that I have written every word of that my name is not on.

Which ones, I wonder?


DavidS - Aug 01, 2005 10:16:36 am PDT #3974 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Which ones, I wonder?

Famously, "Lover's Walk."

Dan Vebber was credited, but because of scheduling difficulties they couldn't bring Juliet back to play Drusilla. Joss rewrote the whole thing in one weekend, shacked up in a motel room with Husker Du and Replacement tapes.


§ ita § - Aug 01, 2005 10:17:32 am PDT #3975 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Isn't that un-surprising for a showrunner? [edit: the fingers in pie and uncredited eps, not the Husker Du]