Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
If something is written well, it's all Joss. If it's poor, it's Some Other Writer's Fault.
I hate that people see things this way. I've actually yelled at my own friends for blaming things on Marti. You will see me at the front of the "Joss is cool" line, but I have long since given up the "Joss is God" stuff. It actually makes me uncomfortable, now, when people say things like, "Oh My Joss."
I can't believe you said that. Oh My Jo...
Yes, I see what you mean.
Some of the joss fanclub makes me uncomfortable - I actually get emails asking where he'll be whilst in the UK in exchange for kisses and things. I'm not kidding. Uhm. Since people don't know me they haven't realised yet I'm not the kind of person to swap dick sucking for the ability to jump out of brushes and such.
It could be worse, though - it could be JM's fan club. I best go into hiding after hitting 'Post message' on this.
ETA: I should clarify this and say I'm not talking about everybody here at all in any respects. It's great to admire and respect somebodies work, and even to squee a bit when you meet them.
I guess with all artists there are a few die-hards who insist that they are incapable of committing any wrong. I remember one time posting at a JM fan board that I thought his performance in something (Andromeda?) was not as good as I'd hoped, and I nearly got lynched. Of course, I should've known better than to offer up critique in that venue. Oops.
But have you noticed? Here at Buffistas, we can say we don't like things (see: all the people critiquing The Inside in the Minearverse thread) without people questioning our loyalty.
without people questioning our loyalty.
No, but we do put your name on a little list we keep...
The "do not pass go, do not collect £100" list?
I have noticed Buffistas is particularly nice. This site and Whedonesque are my new website loves at the moment. I would say I love TheInside.org, but Google STILL haven't indexed that site - I've no idea why - so it never really got the coverage it deserved, given 90% of the internet use Google to find things.
I also think you are biased and I don't think you would disagree.
I'm also sensitive enough to admit when I may be speaking through a bias filter.
I can speak about Minear from a fan perspective in an unbiased, un-mama bear way.
Unless that is actually a knobbish thing to do (Allyson?!) in which case I won't.
Don't ask me, I don't know the man.
Not sure where this goes but there's a long interview with Joss from In Focus magazine. Haven't read it yet, so possible spoilers.
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so possible spoilers.
Yes, there are spoilers. Plus possibly somewhat spoilery for any sequels to
Serenity.
But if you skip past that (they have blue sub-headlines for each section) there's tons of non-Serenity stuff.
A critical line to mention, if it proves true is another matter:
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Universal’s decision to greenlight “Serenity,” the big-screen sequel to “Firefly,” was said to have been influenced by “Firefly’s” phenomenal post-cancellation DVD sales. More than one million copies of the “Complete Series” set have been purchased. On July 6, nearly two years after the DVD set’s release, it would rise (again) to the number two spot on Amazon.com’s daily “top seller” list.
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The two favorite episodes of almost everyone polled are OIS and Out of Gas. Most true fans know that Out of Gas was Tim's baby.
Wrod. Joss even talks about how OoG was his favorite ep, and how he didn't write or direct it.
Firefly,
indeed OoG, is the origin of my Tim admiration. If I ever thought it was all Joss, that changed my mind. Having said that, I'm perfectly happy to blame Marti for BtVS problems. I tried not to blame her too much at first, but in the commentaries, she raved about most of the things I didn't like in the series. And also,
Point Pleasant
ruined any cred she had for me.