Nothin'. I just wanted you to face me so she could get behind ya.

Mal ,'The Train Job'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Volans - May 30, 2005 9:45:31 pm PDT #2663 of 10001
move out and draw fire

I get another one! In this morning's e-mail:

Ok, thanks to you and A--- and S--- I am now a convert to the Firefly series. I have watched the 13 episode series (sob) and the trailer for the movie and I am so excited I am tempted to dig up my old Traveller books.

I have a lot of thougts and ideas I want to share about Firefly but I will just share some initial research I did after I was halfway through the series and thinking "where in the hell have I seen the captain and Book before?"... and no it wasn't Buffy.

So I get 1/3 of a toaster.

I can't think of any SF fandom that skews female overall. The online fandoms tend to, for some reason (women are chattier?), but other than the Jossverse the fandoms are mainly male.

Wait...most of the fans of the Vorkosigan books I know are women. But I'm not sure those count as sci-fi.

I think the sea-change towards more female involvment is partially because the content of the SF has changed, and partly because women are changing. I know the women around me when I was growing up thought both SF and fanship were big old wastes of time, not important stuff like getting married, having babies, cooking, and shoes.


Mr. Broom - May 30, 2005 9:49:21 pm PDT #2664 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Wait...most of the fans of the Vorkosigan books I know are women. But I'm not sure those count as sci-fi.

If those aren't sci-fi, I will eat my hat. As I was introduced to them by a woman, I'm willing to believe the possibility.


Volans - May 30, 2005 10:00:05 pm PDT #2665 of 10001
move out and draw fire

If those aren't sci-fi, I will eat my hat.

I waver, but there's a strong argument that they are romances in space. At least the later ones; the first one's definitely sci-fi.


Mr. Broom - May 30, 2005 10:06:54 pm PDT #2666 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Fair enough. I've only read through The Vor Game so I'll take your word on that.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 30, 2005 10:18:31 pm PDT #2667 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

It depends how you define 'fan': regular viewers of a family sci-fi show like Doctor Who are probably about balanced in gender terms. With a wide spread of ages.


tommyrot - May 31, 2005 2:38:41 am PDT #2668 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I know the women around me when I was growing up thought both SF and fanship were big old wastes of time, not important stuff like getting married, having babies, cooking, and shoes.

shoes are still important, right?


Matt the Bruins fan - May 31, 2005 3:24:12 am PDT #2669 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, but there must be some other SF fandom that has an equal or greater percentage of women to men.

If Xena is counted under the SF/Fantasy umbrella, the passionate fandom skews way female.


Tom Scola - May 31, 2005 3:26:05 am PDT #2670 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Stargate skews female too, doesn't it?


Volans - May 31, 2005 4:01:54 am PDT #2671 of 10001
move out and draw fire

Well, if we include Fantasy as well as SF, then yeah, you get a lot more female fans.

And shoes are The Most Important Thing.


Dana - May 31, 2005 5:11:46 am PDT #2672 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I think there's a big difference between the most visible portion of a fandom and the overall fandom. Online Stargate fandom skews female, for sure. But in terms of Nielsens and DVD sales? I'd be a lot less sure.