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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


The Partyman - May 30, 2005 7:07:35 pm PDT #2655 of 10001
[insert something funny here]

I suspect my Father would totally love Firefly.

However, its hard to get him to watch much of shows he actually knows he likes (24 is one show he loved the first few episodes of, but once he had missed a few he has never since bothered to catch up, despite regular DVD loan offers), nevermind something he has never seen.

I think I shall insist on taking him to see Serenity.

He can be an experment to see just how quickly he begs me for the DVDs after seeeing the movie, and also... a perfect "Non-Firefly" person on which to test the general appeal of the movie...


tommyrot - May 30, 2005 7:20:56 pm PDT #2656 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Another quote from a different review at AICN:

First, the Audience: I didn’t see any of the Universal people taking note of the gender distribution of the audience, but if they had, I think they would have been left scratching their heads and wondering if they were screening a sci-fi flick or a movie with the word Sisterhood in the title. The ratio was about 3-2 female (which for SF is basically unprecedented).

I didn't really note the gender balance at our screening, but I suppose it could have been 3-2 female. If that's the case, do you suppose it's because most Firefly fans came by way of Buffy and Angel?

eta: Also, is the reviewer right about this ratio being unprecendented for SF?


Lilty Cash - May 30, 2005 7:23:21 pm PDT #2657 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

I didn't take note of gender ratio, but I'd guess at it being split pretty evenly. Very cool.


Gris - May 30, 2005 7:28:45 pm PDT #2658 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Also, is the reviewer right about this ratio being unprecendented for SF?

As far as I know, yes. Definitely.


Gandalfe - May 30, 2005 8:15:59 pm PDT #2659 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

SF geeks, and, in fact, geekdom in general, definitely skew towards the Y chromosome.


tommyrot - May 30, 2005 8:22:44 pm PDT #2660 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Yeah, but there must be some other SF fandom that has an equal or greater percentage of women to men.


Mr. Broom - May 30, 2005 8:23:21 pm PDT #2661 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

I doubt it. I've been a member of a variety of fandoms and known people in an enough larger number, and out of all of them, my Joss fan friends are the only group who are more female than male. No one else even comes close to 1:1.


Consuela - May 30, 2005 8:57:03 pm PDT #2662 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Farscape fandom online skews female, IIRC, but I don't know what the overall demo is.


Volans - May 30, 2005 9:45:31 pm PDT #2663 of 10001
move out and draw fire

I get another one! In this morning's e-mail:

Ok, thanks to you and A--- and S--- I am now a convert to the Firefly series. I have watched the 13 episode series (sob) and the trailer for the movie and I am so excited I am tempted to dig up my old Traveller books.

I have a lot of thougts and ideas I want to share about Firefly but I will just share some initial research I did after I was halfway through the series and thinking "where in the hell have I seen the captain and Book before?"... and no it wasn't Buffy.

So I get 1/3 of a toaster.

I can't think of any SF fandom that skews female overall. The online fandoms tend to, for some reason (women are chattier?), but other than the Jossverse the fandoms are mainly male.

Wait...most of the fans of the Vorkosigan books I know are women. But I'm not sure those count as sci-fi.

I think the sea-change towards more female involvment is partially because the content of the SF has changed, and partly because women are changing. I know the women around me when I was growing up thought both SF and fanship were big old wastes of time, not important stuff like getting married, having babies, cooking, and shoes.


Mr. Broom - May 30, 2005 9:49:21 pm PDT #2664 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Wait...most of the fans of the Vorkosigan books I know are women. But I'm not sure those count as sci-fi.

If those aren't sci-fi, I will eat my hat. As I was introduced to them by a woman, I'm willing to believe the possibility.