It's definitely worthwhile keeping detailed records, even if you're exempt. A former boss got a big chunk of money when one of her former employers was sued over that issue and she could produce the records showing how many hours she'd worked.

HEC!!! or any California HR types--I have a question. One of our exempt employees took a day off last week, but worked a full day Saturday so he put in a 40-hour week. The Head Office wants him to take his day as Paid Time Off, thus using up a vacation day, and the Saturday is considered by them just extra time that salaried employees sometimes have to work (I worked on the Saturday, for example, and won't get overtime for it, since I'm also exempt). This seems wrong to me, but I can't find anything concrete to back me up.

Unless there was a prior agreement promising a comp day, and it was basically an arrangement between manager and employee - then I think they can do that. They can definitely say he has to use a PTO day if he took the time off.

It's bad management, I think, because how you gonna get people to come in on the weekend and cover if you do shit like that? But, from a technical and legal standpoint, because he's exempt, they can do that. He's extra-fucked because then he doesn't get OT for the Saturday work. So he loses a PTO day, while working a regular week. (In essence - which is why you're objecting.)

Sucks to be exempt. The compensation is usually that you get much more vacation time - though Matt is a good example of somebody who gets time that he's never feasibly going to be able to take.

Is this somebody you manage personally? Because if they're exempt, there are other ways you can finesse it for them. The idea behind an exempt employee is that they can come and go as long as the job gets done. They can come in late and leave early etc. So....

He might be able to challenge that classification, but that is a broader question than just the two days.

That's the thing. Lots of companies think so; the EDD's been prone to disagree. The law says that only certain occupations can be fully exempt from overtime, and a lot of companies ignore that list or think it's broader than it really is.

Lysana, if you look at the rest of my post, I think you and I are saying the same thing, just differently. Challenging his classification is possible, and maybe even likely to suceed under the current law, but it is a hassle. Unless he does, he is probably out of luck.

The guy my twin sister is dating owns a landscaping service. He's redoing his logo and my sister has asked me to draw him some ideas because he's landscaping her yard.

Um, excuse me? I'm not getting free landscaping out of this bit. *sigh* Been a long, long time since I designed or drew anything let alone a professional type logo. I swear I lost my creativity in the last three years.

I swear I lost my creativity in the last three years.

Top 3 Things I Used To Say To Infant Emmett:

1. Sleep, damn you! Why. Won't. You. Sleeeeeeeep.
2. I used to be cool. But you SUCKED it all out of me.
3. No! Stop! No no no.

Cashmere, you gotta love the ovaries on your sister. Tell her you want a Spring Clean up of your yard, out of the boyfriend.

Oh, I'm getting something out of this project. I don't know what yet, but I'm getting something.

1. Sleep, damn you! Why. Won't. You. Sleeeeeeeep.

2. I used to be cool. But you SUCKED it all out of me.

3. No! Stop! No no no.

Bwah! All things I've said in the last 12 hours.

My new apartment is on a different phone-switchy-hub-thingy than my old apartment. I have to change my phone number

Aww, that sucks. It should totally be one of the perks of moving within the same city, getting to keep your number. Though now that everyone has cellphones...I swear, some of my friends moved here with a cellphone from one place, like Boston, lived in DC for awhile, moved somewhere else (like NY) and still have the Boston cell #. It gets confusing, but OTOH, at least you don't lose anyone's number!

I'm amused by all the Trek love. I used to love it, and want to love it again, but these days when I watch an episode I tend to not feel the love like I used to, and just see the clunky parts. It's so sad.

She also uses sad faces with tears running down the cheeks.

Doesn't this take as long to draw as it would to write actual...words?

I just missed a layoff I didn't know was coming; I really didn't expect layoffs in my department.

So, wait, do you know you were not laid off?? goodness! eeek! Yay for still having a job? I would be shocked and upset, yeah.

The Head Office wants him to take his day as Paid Time Off, thus using up a vacation day, and the Saturday is considered by them just extra time that salaried employees sometimes have to work

Technically, they can do that. But it's EEEEEVIL. Though, if a whole bunch of other people had to work Saturday too, I guess maybe I could see it. Not really a way to get employees happy, man. Geez.

Sucks to be exempt. The compensation is usually that you get much more vacation time

Serious? Has never been true for me--everyone gets the same, unless they get none.

The idea behind an exempt employee is that they can come and go as long as the job gets done

THIS pisses me off--I am exempt, and I travel. And yet I just got told in my lead up to my yearly review that we are REQUIRED to work 8:30-5:30 or 9:30-6:30 or whatever, as a lunch hour is "expected"--but that even if we don't take lunch, or only take half an hour or whatever, that we STILL have to work those hours. Which I think is illegal. Though soon enough, that won't matter, as we'll all be working mad overtime anyway, with this project.

Aww, that sucks. It should totally be one of the perks of moving within the same city, getting to keep your number. Though now that everyone has cellphones...I swear, some of my friends moved here with a cellphone from one place, like Boston, lived in DC for awhile, moved somewhere else (like NY) and still have the Boston cell #. It gets confusing, but OTOH, at least you don't lose anyone's number!

Well, if you've got broadband off of a cable modem you can probably still transfer your number to Vonage have have a land line. I now have my home and fax numbers through Vonage using Voice over IP. I could have picked numbers for anywhere in the country. Also, just by taking my little Voice of IP box from Linksys with me, I can plug into any broadband connection on the planet and have my home telephone number with me. Kinda freaky.

THIS pisses me off--I am exempt, and I travel. And yet I just got told in my lead up to my yearly review that we are REQUIRED to work 8:30-5:30 or 9:30-6:30 or whatever, as a lunch hour is "expected"--but that even if we don't take lunch, or only take half an hour or whatever, that we STILL have to work those hours. Which I think is illegal. Though soon enough, that won't matter, as we'll all be working mad overtime anyway, with this project.

Yeah, this kinda stuff sucks. And very often isn't legal. The thing is, that doesn't matter to these companies, with out economy the way it is folks just want a job and will take the abuse, and the companies don't get called on it unless someone has the nerve, time, and money to bring a lawsuit against them. When I was with Disney there were using Temps and contractors as employees and keeping them that way for years at a time. They still do it. Microsoft got in trouble for it, but no one has challenged Mauschwitz on it yet, so they still do it. Legality has very little to do with the decision.

Hec cracked me up. I know he was only partially trying to be funny, but...