Wesley: We're going to bring Angelus in alive. Connor: No we're not. Gunn: I thought you said capturing him wasn't an option. Wesley: Changed my mind. Connor: Change it back.

'Why We Fight'


Spoilage Lite - The Return

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sumi - Mar 09, 2005 3:28:55 pm PST #178 of 3639
Art Crawl!!!

OMG -- I read that rumor somewhere else (WX) too . . . a Newhart or St Elsewhere type ending.


sfmarty - Mar 09, 2005 5:08:36 pm PST #179 of 3639
Who? moi??

I really didn't know it was still on.


DXMachina - Mar 09, 2005 5:23:10 pm PST #180 of 3639
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

The thing is that it's actually been pretty decent this season.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 10, 2005 3:37:38 am PST #181 of 3639
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I can't imagine a more sincere way of saying "fuck you" to their fanbase. No wonder they lost 11 million viewers since the pilot.

It does explain how they are going to address the issue of having new style Klingons pre-TOS. Not that it's a GOOD way to address it.

Would it turning out to be all the fantasy of Benny in the hospital be better or worse? At the very least, it would have some basis in canon. Again, not that it would be any less craptacular.


DXMachina - Mar 10, 2005 3:39:31 am PST #182 of 3639
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

It does explain how they are going to address the issue of having new style Klingons pre-TOS. Not that it's a GOOD way to address it.

Actually, they did explain the old style Kilingons a few episodes back. They were the result of an experiment grafting augmented human DNA onto Klingon DNA.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 10, 2005 3:42:38 am PST #183 of 3639
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Actually, they did explain the old style Kilingons a few episodes back. They were the result of an experiment grafting augmented human DNA onto Klingon DNA.

Ah. I had heard it was going to be explained, but I didn't realize they'd already done it (I haven't watched an episode since the first season).


DXMachina - Mar 10, 2005 3:48:24 am PST #184 of 3639
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

The effect was also reversible, which is no doubt to retcon the appearance of Kang, Kor, and Koloth over the years.


le nubian - Mar 10, 2005 4:03:54 am PST #185 of 3639
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I don't understand why the ST people didn't just go with the explanation I had always assumed when Worf had ridges and the old school Klingons did not:

that all Klingons don't look the same and that some Klingons have ridges while some don't.

I mean fuck. Does it have to be that complicated?


§ ita § - Mar 10, 2005 4:05:43 am PST #186 of 3639
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Alien species are more homogenous than Earth species. It's a science fiction rule.

Just like alien planets are more homogenous than most Earth countries.


DXMachina - Mar 10, 2005 4:07:43 am PST #187 of 3639
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Does it have to be that complicated?

No, but the problem was they brought Kang, Kor, and Koloth, all of whom had fought Kirk, to DS9 with ridges. It was a paradox just begging for a retcon.