I have finesse! I have finesse coming out of my bottom!

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Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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Lee - Oct 23, 2004 8:14:59 am PDT #68 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think the lack of doing anything like setting up shelter (other than the medical "tent') and being disorganized may be a plot device, so that Jack could come in at the end of the last ep and be all leaderly.

Sayid did try, at one point, to get people organized, asking people to divide into three groups, for water, electronics and food searching, but that seems to have been dropped.


DCJensen - Oct 23, 2004 8:16:09 am PDT #69 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.

I'm just making a point to bring along my Worst Case Scenario Handbook whenever I fly. Just in case.

Keep it in a baggie taped to your body...


Narrator - Oct 23, 2004 8:18:52 am PDT #70 of 10000
The evil is this way?

They do seem to have been oddly passive for having been there for 6 days.

They've been waiting to be rescued. We've been seeing the most knowledgeable of the survivors (Kate, Jack, Locke, Charlie, Sayid, etc.). Most of others don't seem to know or realize how much trouble they're in.


DCJensen - Oct 23, 2004 8:23:14 am PDT #71 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.

I think Jack became the leader the instant he made the decision to use his voice of command to get things done.

Most people don't have it. The ability to process what needs to be done, and to direct others with that exact tone that makes them go.

Jack has it, and I get the feeling his father had pretty much convinced him he didn't.

Kate has it too, but again, didn't know it.


SailAweigh - Oct 23, 2004 8:37:05 am PDT #72 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

voice of command.

So, so, so true. You learn this quickly in the military, who's got it and who doesn't. It can be used on groups, or individuals. We've seen it used on both groups and individuals by Jack and Kate. We've seen it used on individuals by Jin. He can't use it on groups, because of the language barrier, but his individual use of the VoC comes out of the cultural role of the sexes, not from true command. He's actually just a bully. I think one of the things we're going to see is how Sun learns to subvert the individual use of it and possibly gain her own. Also, Boone would like to have it, but doesn't. Locke has it, but doesn't really want to have to use it, as Jack didn't, but realizes he must.

Okay, overanalyzed that to death.


Betsy HP - Oct 23, 2004 8:43:45 am PDT #73 of 10000
If I only had a brain...

I use mine on children, mostly.


SailAweigh - Oct 23, 2004 8:50:23 am PDT #74 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

A very good place to use it, Betsy. I'd say most mothers have it. Those that don't, suffer.


Cashmere - Oct 23, 2004 8:57:01 am PDT #75 of 10000
Now tagless for your comfort.

A very good place to use it, Betsy. I'd say most mothers have it. Those that don't, suffer.

Well, I'm fucked.


Deena - Oct 23, 2004 9:01:03 am PDT #76 of 10000
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Cash, you'll develop it. I did.


SailAweigh - Oct 23, 2004 9:01:23 am PDT #77 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

No, no, no, Cash! It's not that bad. Like I said, there's different types of VoC. The one for kids is based more on the individual type. It's predicated on traditional roles. Moms have the VoC because of positional authority. Kids follow it because they have to. Even if you don't have an innate VoC. As they get older, they may start bucking your VoC to test you, but they'd do that no matter which type VoC you're using. You'll do fine. Awareness of it's existence is the most important point in developing it. And, as Deena said, you can develop one.