On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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Narrator - Oct 23, 2004 8:18:52 am PDT #70 of 10000
The evil is this way?

They do seem to have been oddly passive for having been there for 6 days.

They've been waiting to be rescued. We've been seeing the most knowledgeable of the survivors (Kate, Jack, Locke, Charlie, Sayid, etc.). Most of others don't seem to know or realize how much trouble they're in.


DCJensen - Oct 23, 2004 8:23:14 am PDT #71 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.

I think Jack became the leader the instant he made the decision to use his voice of command to get things done.

Most people don't have it. The ability to process what needs to be done, and to direct others with that exact tone that makes them go.

Jack has it, and I get the feeling his father had pretty much convinced him he didn't.

Kate has it too, but again, didn't know it.


SailAweigh - Oct 23, 2004 8:37:05 am PDT #72 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

voice of command.

So, so, so true. You learn this quickly in the military, who's got it and who doesn't. It can be used on groups, or individuals. We've seen it used on both groups and individuals by Jack and Kate. We've seen it used on individuals by Jin. He can't use it on groups, because of the language barrier, but his individual use of the VoC comes out of the cultural role of the sexes, not from true command. He's actually just a bully. I think one of the things we're going to see is how Sun learns to subvert the individual use of it and possibly gain her own. Also, Boone would like to have it, but doesn't. Locke has it, but doesn't really want to have to use it, as Jack didn't, but realizes he must.

Okay, overanalyzed that to death.


Betsy HP - Oct 23, 2004 8:43:45 am PDT #73 of 10000
If I only had a brain...

I use mine on children, mostly.


SailAweigh - Oct 23, 2004 8:50:23 am PDT #74 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

A very good place to use it, Betsy. I'd say most mothers have it. Those that don't, suffer.


Cashmere - Oct 23, 2004 8:57:01 am PDT #75 of 10000
Now tagless for your comfort.

A very good place to use it, Betsy. I'd say most mothers have it. Those that don't, suffer.

Well, I'm fucked.


Deena - Oct 23, 2004 9:01:03 am PDT #76 of 10000
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Cash, you'll develop it. I did.


SailAweigh - Oct 23, 2004 9:01:23 am PDT #77 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

No, no, no, Cash! It's not that bad. Like I said, there's different types of VoC. The one for kids is based more on the individual type. It's predicated on traditional roles. Moms have the VoC because of positional authority. Kids follow it because they have to. Even if you don't have an innate VoC. As they get older, they may start bucking your VoC to test you, but they'd do that no matter which type VoC you're using. You'll do fine. Awareness of it's existence is the most important point in developing it. And, as Deena said, you can develop one.


Cashmere - Oct 23, 2004 9:04:25 am PDT #78 of 10000
Now tagless for your comfort.

OK, as long as it's something I can learn. Maybe Owen will just be a naturally compliant kid.

Hahahahahahahaha.


SailAweigh - Oct 23, 2004 9:08:18 am PDT #79 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Cash, a lot of children's adherence to the VoC once they become a more reasoning creature is out of love, not because you compel them. The most important thing is to develop a loving relationship, the VoC is not the most important thing to have except for when they are so young they may endanger themselves and you need it to keep them safe.