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Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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-t - Feb 15, 2005 8:02:51 am PST #5985 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'd have been much more comfy with a hysterical "you were all just going to pussyfoot around and let him get away and try to kill me again!"

Yeah, I would, too.

I didn't mind the flashbacks as long as they were just Charlie remembering another woman he liked and lied to (though I was yelling at the screen for him to take anything other than the hard to fence item that was valuable because of its historical siginificance) but turning it into motivation to shoot Ethan was annoying.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 15, 2005 8:16:30 am PST #5986 of 10000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I actually switched the channels and watched 60 minutes during the flashbacks. I guess that means I thought they were boring.

Anyway, the shooting didn't bother me so much as you all, I think, because I was not getting the backstory.


Jars - Feb 15, 2005 8:59:32 am PST #5987 of 10000

I fast-forwarded through most of the flashbacks. Too cringe-pants for my liking. They seemed too shoe-horned in. I know it's the structure of the show and all, but I think it would have been a stronger episode without any at all.

I wasn't particularly surprised at Charlie shooting Ethan, though I had the issues with an English guy being able to handle a gun. I'm perfectly willing to handwave it though. Keeping Ethan alive would have presented a whole heap of problems for the writers, even if they had him keeping quiet.

Put me in the Charlie making a decision for the good of the group camp. With a side-order of revenge.


brenda m - Feb 15, 2005 9:02:38 am PST #5988 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Put me in the Charlie making a decision for the good of the group camp.

I'll agree that Charlie accidentally did what was probably the best thing for them in the long run. I don't think at the time it actually had jack to do with anything but Ethan making him feel like a useless fuck-up.


Calli - Feb 15, 2005 9:04:42 am PST #5989 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I don't think at the time it actually had jack to do with anything but Ethan making him feel like a useless fuck-up.

Yes, this and the whole Ethan trying to kill him earlier thing. While I can imagine Charlie justified it to himself with the whole protecting Claire thing, I'm inclined to think the hanging by the neck until nearly dead bit affected Charlie's choices.


§ ita § - Feb 15, 2005 9:05:17 am PST #5990 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm inclined to think the hanging by the neck until nearly dead bit affected Charlie's choices.

And if it didn't, he's a formidably detached man.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 15, 2005 9:07:27 am PST #5991 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

It's possible that "I did it to protect Claire" sounded like a more noble purpose to him than "the thought of Ethan alive, nearby, and under watch by Boone would have me wetting myself with terror." Though I'm afraid the flashbacks demonstrate that the former really did play a large part in his motivation.


Lilty Cash - Feb 15, 2005 9:07:45 am PST #5992 of 10000
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

I don't see there even being a clear, choice-making train of thought, such as "Oh, look at this gun. Well, Ethan did hang me by the neck, and I would like to prove I can take care of a lady. We probably won't get any info from him- mayhap I'll shoot him."

It was more of an adrenaline based "You're gonna die for what you did to me and Claire and I will take care of her and BANG BANG BANG BANG".


Kathy A - Feb 15, 2005 9:10:00 am PST #5993 of 10000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I'm with brenda--Charlie definitely wasn't thinking of the good of the camp. If JJ and the writers take some time in either this season or next to explore exactly what the consequences of Charlie's actions are, I'll be very happy.

Someone upthread said that Charlie was possibly one of the more dangerous people on the island, just because he's looking at everything from an emotional standpoint. He makes alliances not with a strategy in mind, but from whatever feels right to him at that time. He follows leaders with a puppydog mentality of wanting to be useful. Well, if the others start taking him for granted or, even worse, neglect him, he has the potential to turn on them, as he showed last week.


Jars - Feb 15, 2005 9:10:01 am PST #5994 of 10000

I don't think at the time it actually had jack to do with anything but Ethan making him feel like a useless fuck-up.

I thought the point of the episode was to show that Charlie had changed; he's all growed up. Admittedly, they did it in kind of a ham-fisted fashion, but it's not the first time a Charlie storyline has had a whiff of the anvil about it.

Plus I tend to give Charlie a lot of leeway. He's just so darned cute.